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Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by ChrisGrowl »

tosh wrote: post #32
pram wrote: post #26

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Is this actually true? Notifications were in iOS way before OSX, and it seems like that is the actual implementation that eventually made its way into Mountain Lion. I mean, Toast notifications weren't even invented by Growl. It was nice software but this seems like hyperbole lol

Growl goes way back, this is an interview from 2006: https://www.osnews.com/story/15442/interview-with-chris-fors...

Good lord I forgot about that interview. I was so young haha.

Growl started around 2003 really

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by makecheck »

“Growl” is the kind of thing the old Apple used to create: not just solving a problem but doing it well, handling lots of different cases and being cool on top of it all.

Meanwhile, today’s Apple gives us something that doesn’t even show you where notification buttons are.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by Arubis »

selectodude wrote: post #111
Arubis wrote: post #47

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I still have yet to find a satisfactory replacement for Quicksilver. Yes, Alfred and all those exist. They are mere shades by comparison.

Quicksilver was just updated in June. https://qsapp.com/changelog.php

It’s fair that the core app still compiles and has some maintenance, but there hasn’t been work done on the plugins and system integration in about a decade. What’s left makes a nice but slowly decaying launcher. The magical workflows of being able to navigate swiftly between app context menus, system services, and web services without a mouse or even leaving QS...those are but memories.

QS circa 2008ish spoiled me for all launchers since.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by Arubis »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #57
Arubis wrote: post #47

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I still have yet to find a satisfactory replacement for Quicksilver. Yes, Alfred and all those exist. They are mere shades by comparison.

I feel like Launchbar, which I believe predates Quicksilver, is pretty great. It’s true Quicksilver really perfected that motif of doing custom search operators and file manipulation, but Launchbar is really great.

I should probably give Launchbar another shot at some point; recommendation appreciated. My expectation is merely that it’d be nicer than Alfred, but that’s enough.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

ChickeNES wrote: post #102
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #33

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> Toast notifications weren't even invented by Growl Does MSN Messenger get the credit for that?

Windows 2000 according to Wikipedia

MSN Messenger predates Windows 2000 (July 1999 vs February 2000 respectively).

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by usr1106 »

cortesoft wrote: post #117
vosper wrote: post #88

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Was it ever Apple who charged for tethering? I always thought it was in the hands of the networks and their various plans. Today it seems like it's not even a feature anymore, just something you can do with your phone (or, at least for me it is: I'm on one of the cheapest cellphone plans in my country and tethering just works)

Yes, it is the networks that demand extra payment for tethering. That is still a thing in the US; you have to pay extra for a plan that includes tethering.

Surprising from a European perspective. I have used tethering since before phones had a HTTP/HTML browser (~ 2001, remember WAP?). The question has always been do you have packet data or not, what is your bandwidth and volume. Nothing else is the operator's business.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by wpietri »

crazygringo wrote: post #108
armadsen wrote: post #80

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All great design innovations seem dead obvious in hindsight. But they're not.

Huh? Notifications that pop up in the corner aren't a "great design innovation". They are an obvious one. Just because there are some non-obvious great design innovations out there, doesn't mean every little interface component is one. Some things are just the logical solution to a problem.

Oh? In your estimation, how many years passed between Growl being technically possible and it actually existing?

I was using NeXT OS, which is what later became OS X, circa 1990. Growl apparently launched in 2003. So that's a minimum of 13 years that something "obvious" was missed. And it's probably more fair to count from the mid-1980s, when GUIs first started becoming popular. That doesn't sound obvious to me.

Most things are obvious in retrospect. But it's a mistake to confuse your after-the-fact perspective for what was going on at the time. (For those who are interested, Dekker's "Field Guide to Understanding 'Human Error'" is a great look at how subtle and dangerous that confusion can be.)

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by dapids »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #34
jchook wrote: post #18

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On MacOS I found serious performance issues with f.lux and now I happily use redshift[1] without ever thinking about it. 1. http://jonls.dk/redshift/

f.lux works by simply setting a new ICC profile - right? That’s often supported directly in hardware in the GPU’s scanout system (so it doesn’t appear in your framebuffer). So why would that cause poor performance?

yea never had any performance related problems on the visual end of things with flux (typing this with it on). Although flux is getting pretty outdated on Big Sur, so there are some hiccups and lockup bugs that could be interpreted as "performance issues".

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by BooneJS »

I loved growl. There was an iOS app called Prowl that used the growl notification system that I used in a past life to alert me if things in production were weird without me manually checking all the time. Good memories. Thank you Growl!

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by nsomaru »

spullara wrote: post #89
endgame wrote: post #68

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Well, yeah. Important things like tethering would never have made it into iOS if Apple hadn't been dragged there by the jailbreakers.

This has always been the domain of the carriers, not Apple.

I’m not from the US, could you explain this perspective to me?

You give me internet on device X. How is it up to you how I use it?

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