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Re: Mmhmm

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Post by ponker »

joshspankit wrote: post #73
satysin wrote: post #41

Installed to tryout it out. I dislike it requires yet another user account just to try it out[1][2]. Overall it is pretty simple to use with a decent UI and worked fine for my quick test of a Signal desktop app video call by selecting the mmhmm virtual camera in Signal. It did not work in FaceTime as there is no way to change the camera from the built in one (however I was able to change the audio source to mmhmm aud…

I feel like this is one of the great cases for a “residential” vs “commercial” model. From a software dev perspective, I definitely understand the benefit of monthly/yearly subscriptions vs feast and famine cycles (with the hope that you can justify an upgrade to your users), but it.has.gotten.out.of.hand. Some of your best customers start out bootstrapping and becoming experts in the cheapest (workable) solution. If…

I don’t need an “argument” to charge a specific price or business model. I’ve created something and am offering it to anyone who will pay what I’m asking.

Why, as a customer, would you care about my “argument” for my price as opposed to the value it creates for you?

This product is expensive and I expect most people to walk away but I also see why they don’t want to go down the old Windows 3.1 route of a perpetual license.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by ponker »

jen20 wrote: post #117
evrydayhustling wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the account creation friction sucks, but I'll defend the price. It's a subscription because the value you get depends on how long you use it. Making the price incremental (vs e.g. a one time $100 charge) means more people can try it and get value for a limited time, and only keep it if it continues to add value for them. Is $100/yr too much? A b2b sales team might spend $400 getting a first meeting with a custome…

But if the product is ok and useful at a cost which users to not want to pay, it’s just a matter of time before equivalent features get integrated into video calling platforms directly.

That’s a different issue not related to the pricing model.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by airtonix »

ljm wrote: post #84
Bishonen88 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in most cases, tools with subscriptions do not need more maintenance than products with a one-time purchase (don't know anything about this specific case, so dunno if it applies here). It's just that after adobe/jetbrains and others opened pandoras box, slowly but surely more and more devs try to make their tools to a continuous income stream... It get's really silly to the point that a snipping app has a yearly subs…

Typically also done by forcing some 'cloud sync' into it and then using that to justify the switch, moving control of your data into their hands and holding it hostage. That was enough for me to ditch 1password in favour of bitwarden.

except that in order to control your own data with bitwarden across many devices you need to spin up your own server.

Should checkout Enpass. - Has google drive/dropbox/webdave sync connectors. - runs on android/ios/mac/linux/windows

Re: Mmhmm

#125

Post by imposterr »

toast0 wrote: post #118
fxtentacle wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you in general, this tool appears to rely on a kernel extension for their virtual Webcam. And that creates a lot of additional and ongoing maintenance work.

Or they could charge you a simple price for the version for Mac OS 2020, and when Apple breaks it next year, you can buy the version for Mac OS 2021.

Try explaining that to customers who paid for the software and don't understand why they have to pay again.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by reaperducer »

imposterr wrote: post #125
toast0 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they could charge you a simple price for the version for Mac OS 2020, and when Apple breaks it next year, you can buy the version for Mac OS 2021.

Try explaining that to customers who paid for the software and don't understand why they have to pay again.

Tell them that's how it was done for decades and decades?

Plenty of successful software companies sell their software, instead of renting it.

Moreover, the billion dollar company I work for will not buy any software that requires a subscription, unless it's from Microsoft, Adobe, or another big name. If a program from Rando Joe's Softworks requires a subscription, the company will tell the employee to find another solution.

Re: Mmhmm

#127

Post by reaperducer »

ljm wrote: post #84
Bishonen88 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in most cases, tools with subscriptions do not need more maintenance than products with a one-time purchase (don't know anything about this specific case, so dunno if it applies here). It's just that after adobe/jetbrains and others opened pandoras box, slowly but surely more and more devs try to make their tools to a continuous income stream... It get's really silly to the point that a snipping app has a yearly subs…

Typically also done by forcing some 'cloud sync' into it and then using that to justify the switch, moving control of your data into their hands and holding it hostage. That was enough for me to ditch 1password in favour of bitwarden.

Typically also done by forcing some 'cloud sync' into it and then using that to justify the switch

Is this even needed on a Mac? Can't all Macintosh software just sync through iCloud, instead of relying on the developer's solution?

/ Serious question. I'm not a Mac software dev.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by jariel »

Super fun. Mmhmm folks - some marketing tips: the entire landing page says nothing, provides no information. Then the abstract value prop but we have no idea what it is until we're many seconds into a video - even then it's not clear.

'What it is' needs to be clear very quickly or people won't go any further and 'Makes your Zoom calls fun' is not 'what it is'.

Finally, the video gets showcase pretty fast, with so much exemplary items, please just within 10 seconds explain what it is, give some basic examples.

Re: Mmhmm

#129

Post by eitland »

ponker wrote: post #121
joshspankit wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like this is one of the great cases for a “residential” vs “commercial” model. From a software dev perspective, I definitely understand the benefit of monthly/yearly subscriptions vs feast and famine cycles (with the hope that you can justify an upgrade to your users), but it.has.gotten.out.of.hand. Some of your best customers start out bootstrapping and becoming experts in the cheapest (workable) solution. If…

I don’t need an “argument” to charge a specific price or business model. I’ve created something and am offering it to anyone who will pay what I’m asking. Why, as a customer, would you care about my “argument” for my price as opposed to the value it creates for you? This product is expensive and I expect most people to walk away but I also see why they don’t want to go down the old Windows 3.1 route of a perpetual li…

I partly agree, as an author it is your software and your choice. Demanding anything (unless one has an existing relationship as a customer that warrants it) is probably a sign of feeling entitled.

Also these days I expect software to need security fixes for the lifetime of the software which is why I am somewhat less hostile to subscriptions than I would otherwise be.

But I also partly understand very well what the users upthread writes, so let me try to explain:

> I don’t need an “argument” to charge a specific price or business model. I’ve created something and am offering it to anyone who will pay what I’m asking.

Fine, go right ahead. Consider the posts upthread as an explanation for why they wont use your software and will recommend against it.

If people still buys it: Power to you. And, I should say, it looks like something that certain people will pay for

> Why, as a customer, would you care about my “argument” for my price as opposed to the value it creates for you?

Maybe they shouldn't care to write it, but at least now you know their reasoning.

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