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Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air

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Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air

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Then don’t buy one. Not sure why anyone would be tired of a product they could ignore. Unless Apple and Microsoft are oppressive because they won’t collapse and build Linux laptops. It makes no sense. Just go run Linux on some ancient Thinkpad.

Haven't you read my comment? It's not the product per-se that's the problem. It's the lobbying, the market abuse, the anti-competitive practices.

I sure did read it. That's how you vote in this system, with your currency.

Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air

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Honestly, I don't think anyone is holding their breath for the day that corporations like Apple and Microsoft give the world the Linux that they deserve. Imagine if these power brokers didn't exist and a whole generation of children grew up on Linux rather than Mac/PC. Huge opportunity cost for society in my opinion.

> children grew up on Linux rather than Mac/PC

You mean Mac/Windows, I think? Because PC surely can run Linux.

Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air

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>their products have only gone up in price (as with the yearly iPhone releases) Hmm, not sure I agree with that. The iPhone 12 mini base price is $699 with 64GB. iPhone 3GS in 2009 with 8 GB was $599, or $727 in inflation adjusted 2020 dollars. Never mind the incredible increases in data rate, speed, display quality, and other capabilities. Or, take the iPhone SE, an incredible phone compared to the 3GS and it has a…

Kinda, if you compare small screen price, which is kinda fair. Yet look what competition is able to do with $300 budget - 5G, 120 fps screens (although lesser quality), similar (or better) cameras, similar performance, bigger batteries (similar life tho).

> Yet look what competition is able to do with $300 budget

And few or no software updates or patches, and full abandonment of a device after at most two years of support.

Meanwhile my kids have hand-me-down iPhone 6s models that are working well, running the latest, fully-patched software after five years of service.

There’s a lot of value in an iPhone besides the hardware specs.

Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air

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> Torvalds, of course, can already have an ARM based Linux

> laptop if he wants one—for example, the Pinebook Pro. The

> unspoken part here is that he'd like a high-performance

> ARM based laptop, rather than a budget-friendly but

> extremely performance constrained design such as one finds

> in the Pinebook Pro, the Raspberry Pi, or a legion of

> other inexpensive gadgets.

I believe he currently uses an AMD threadripper setup - there would be nothing stopping him using something like the PineBook Pro as a "dumb terminal" and having his builds done off-machine. It would mean that he is dependent on an internet connection, but it wouldn't have to be a fast one as he would only need to send deltas to the build process. (This would be on top of other mechanisms like CI.)

The PineBook Pro has quite a reasonable keyboard, is quite light and gets decent battery. He could reasonably use it all day without issue. Re-flashing it can be as simple as throwing a new SD card into it, which could also help in terms of security whilst traveling (re-flash it when you get to your location).

I would very much tell him and other people to seriously consider such a machine.

Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air

#126

Honestly, I don't think anyone is holding their breath for the day that corporations like Apple and Microsoft give the world the Linux that they deserve. Imagine if these power brokers didn't exist and a whole generation of children grew up on Linux rather than Mac/PC. Huge opportunity cost for society in my opinion.

My daughters school gives her a chrome book so she is growing up using Linux. Her fire tablet also uses linux.

It's not linux until you have to debug your wifi cards driver.

Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air

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What advantages does Linux have for children over macOS? It’s UNIX, with the shell and all the OSS packages you could want. Very few children need to recompile the graphics stack, kernel, or drivers.

You can use Wine to play a lot of games on Linux. Good luck doing that on macOS due to their refusal to support Vulkan and 32-bit. macOS doesn't offer any benefits in comparison with Linux, only disadvantages.

What is the advantage to the average person to be able to run 32 bit apps?

Most game engines are supporting the metal api, or use vulkanVK as an abstraction layer.

Have you considered implementing an office full of linux desktops? With a team of designers? Product Engineers? Salespeople on the road constantly? I'd imagine if macOS has no benefits at all, IT managers everywhere would be switching to linux desktops. Why do you think this hasn't happened? especially since linux has no disadvantage compared to macOS?

Re: Linus Torvalds on the new MacBook Air

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>their products have only gone up in price (as with the yearly iPhone releases) Hmm, not sure I agree with that. The iPhone 12 mini base price is $699 with 64GB. iPhone 3GS in 2009 with 8 GB was $599, or $727 in inflation adjusted 2020 dollars. Never mind the incredible increases in data rate, speed, display quality, and other capabilities. Or, take the iPhone SE, an incredible phone compared to the 3GS and it has a…

Kinda, if you compare small screen price, which is kinda fair. Yet look what competition is able to do with $300 budget - 5G, 120 fps screens (although lesser quality), similar (or better) cameras, similar performance, bigger batteries (similar life tho).

At $300 the manufacturer has to make serious trade offs. I’m sure there are models at that price point with great cameras, or 120hz, or 5g, or longer battery life (actual size of the battery is irrelevant, battery life is the important metric). Is there a model with all of those features at $300? I’m not aware of one. Especially performance, since most Android phones can’t beat the 2 year old iPhone XS.
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