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Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by aparashk »

offtop5 wrote: post #115
aparashk wrote: post #111

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What is the x64 on ARM opportunity in a bit more detail? What would drive a billion dollar valuation for such a business? I would have thought that anything of lasting interest would be available in source code and thus ported to run natively on ARM...

Because years , if not decades of legacy server code could be ran on Arm without re-writing anything. An EC2 rival could run the same processes using 30% of the power. Plus as ARM tends to run on much smaller devices, you could theoretically save tons of physical space with data centers.

Fascinating, so you are saying if a Rosetta2 like software can be made for Graviton or X1, that’d be an instant hit?

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by jurip »

sjtindell wrote: post #95
paxys wrote: post #58

Here's how I expect things to go with Docker on Apple Silicon: - Rosetta 2 will not be involved at all - They will recompile the CLI, daemon and other parts of Docker Desktop natively for arm64 (but this has a dependency on the Go toolchain) - There will likely be a bunch of bugs or general inconsistencies in the new Mac Hypervisor (their dev hardware didn't even support virtualization), so it's unlikely that Docker'…

Your mention of “pro” makes me wonder - isn’t one of Apple’s big pushes to sell to professional designers, photographers, etc.? Don’t they realize that some huge percentage of engineers and tech workers use their macs? That’s a whole segment that quite literally builds and runs all the platforms where macs are advertised or talked about...where is the “pro” MacBook targeted at that segment? With advanced virtualizati…

The showed Xcode multiple times during the M1 Mac release event and boasted about compile times so yeah, I'm pretty certain they do realize it.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by happymellon »

mrtksn wrote: post #117
lowdose wrote: post #113

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> Mac prices are the gatekeeper for the Apple dev ecosystem in the developing world or students from low income background Isn't the yearly $199 developers fee a greater gatekeeper by design for people with a low income from participating in Apples ecosystem?

It's $99 and it's not a gatekeeper to anything. People who need the developer program subscription easily make multiple of it each month even in the poorest countries. You only need it if you are going to distribute apps through Apple AppStore, you don't need it for anything else.

But you need the $99 before you can make the money in the App Store.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by mrtksn »

happymellon wrote: post #123
mrtksn wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's $99 and it's not a gatekeeper to anything. People who need the developer program subscription easily make multiple of it each month even in the poorest countries. You only need it if you are going to distribute apps through Apple AppStore, you don't need it for anything else.

But you need the $99 before you can make the money in the App Store.

That's true. You will also need a computer, a chair, a desk and food to learn and develop apps.

AppStore Developer subscription is not a social security program, you will need some capital to run business on it.

It is like the need to spent money to buy the flour and the chocolate before making money from your first donuts. Standart business stuff.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by offtop5 »

aparashk wrote: post #121
offtop5 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because years , if not decades of legacy server code could be ran on Arm without re-writing anything. An EC2 rival could run the same processes using 30% of the power. Plus as ARM tends to run on much smaller devices, you could theoretically save tons of physical space with data centers.

Fascinating, so you are saying if a Rosetta2 like software can be made for Graviton or X1, that’d be an instant hit?

Assuming you could also have the same reliability, I'd believe you could get the cost way down. Who wouldn't want to operate their service for half price

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by happymellon »

mrtksn wrote: post #124
happymellon wrote: post #123

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But you need the $99 before you can make the money in the App Store.

That's true. You will also need a computer, a chair, a desk and food to learn and develop apps. AppStore Developer subscription is not a social security program, you will need some capital to run business on it. It is like the need to spent money to buy the flour and the chocolate before making money from your first donuts. Standart business stuff.

I have bought a computer, I have now bought a chair. I don't need to buy a new computer or a new chair if my development takes longer than a year.

I don't know what you mean about a social security system, I don't think anyone is talking about that so it's a bit nonsense.

The point is it is a gatekeeper. Your first app that you build doesn't make $115? Then you didn't break even and you are down, and are taxed another $100. Considering that Apple then billing you 15% on your takings, it is another bar to clear.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by mrtksn »

happymellon wrote: post #126
mrtksn wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true. You will also need a computer, a chair, a desk and food to learn and develop apps. AppStore Developer subscription is not a social security program, you will need some capital to run business on it. It is like the need to spent money to buy the flour and the chocolate before making money from your first donuts. Standart business stuff.

I have bought a computer, I have now bought a chair. I don't need to buy a new computer or a new chair if my development takes longer than a year. I don't know what you mean about a social security system, I don't think anyone is talking about that so it's a bit nonsense. The point is it is a gatekeeper. Your first app that you build doesn't make $115? Then you didn't break even and you are down, and are taxed anothe…

It's hard to follow this thought process. Somehow you claim that you are entitled to do business on one company's systems on terms that you decide. This doesn't make any sense what so ever. It sounds like those people who think they should own all the movies, music or software for free because they pay for an internet connection.

If you don't like the business proposition, just don't do business with Apple. Go make apps for Google Play store or Huawei or anything else.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by hda111 »

lsllc wrote: post #17

Sounds a bit like Docker is at a loss. Caught between a closed source OS (rock) and an architecture change (hard place). Ideally, they could leverage Rosetta2 to run x64 containers under macOS on Apple Silicon ... but I guess Apple isn't playing ball (because otherwise they would have probably announced it at WWDC). At this point I see an Apple Silicon based Mac is just a consumer device, I don't think I'm going to b…

Docker Desktop is closed source on all platform it supports. It’s one of the reasons I don’t like to use it even on Windows. There is no way to report bugs (no one from dev team replies to it), and no bug fixes from the community are possible. When using containers nowadays I would keep everything open source, like LXC/LXD, Cri-O, Podman. All run perfectly fine on the Linux kernel that comes with Windows. Apple has to do something similar to WSL to make devs happy.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 Chips and Docker

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Post by lairdpopkin »

happymellon wrote: post #123
mrtksn wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's $99 and it's not a gatekeeper to anything. People who need the developer program subscription easily make multiple of it each month even in the poorest countries. You only need it if you are going to distribute apps through Apple AppStore, you don't need it for anything else.

But you need the $99 before you can make the money in the App Store.

Yes, you need to pay the $99 to have a registered developer account, which is required to digitally sign apps to distribute through the App Store. Of course, you can download and use the dev tools for free, and distribute/sell your apps any way you like, without paying Apple anything. So if the App Store isn't worth $99 as a sales channel, don't pay it.
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