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Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on their body cams
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Re: Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on their body cams
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. This is not a national government problem. This is a local government problem. The solution is for citizens of those cities and counties to hold their local governments accountable and vote them out of office if they don't fix the problem. The last thing we need is more big government, one-size-fits-none policies dictated from above. We need more local people solving their own local problems. It would also help i…
Buying instruments for public high school bands is a local problem. Cops killing citizens in broad daylight and not facing consequences is not a local problem, not any more than 9/11 was a local terrorism problem for residents of New York and Washington DC. "Let local residents handle it" was how America went through Jim Crow laws.
> "Let local residents handle it" was how America went through Jim Crow laws.
No, "let Democratic State governments of the Southern states handle it" was how America went through Jim Crow laws. Localities would never have gotten away with it if the State governments had not supported them and helped them crack down on local citizens who pushed back.
Re: Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on their body cams
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. This is not a national government problem. This is a local government problem. The solution is for citizens of those cities and counties to hold their local governments accountable and vote them out of office if they don't fix the problem. The last thing we need is more big government, one-size-fits-none policies dictated from above. We need more local people solving their own local problems. It would also help i…
Leaving it up to local voters makes it sound like it's ok for a police dept to misbehave, eg harass minorities or evade accountability, as long as the majority voters in that city/county are ok with it. I think that's a problem and that going to a couple levels in governance (state or federal) makes total sense given the systematic nature of some of the problems.
If state and local law enforcement were subject to this level of federal oversight and control, we would not have legal marijuana anywhere.
Re: Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on their body cams
#124my 2 cents: anyone who even thinks of defunding the police should visit a country with no police (for example a favella in Rio at night) and report back their results. The experiment will likely not be very repeatable.
The concept of defunding the police is not an attempt to eliminating the police force.
It is just a name that tries to capture the fact many US police forces look more like an army than a typical police force found in other parts of the world.
That is what needs to change.
Re: Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on their body cams
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. This is not a national government problem. This is a local government problem. The solution is for citizens of those cities and counties to hold their local governments accountable and vote them out of office if they don't fix the problem. The last thing we need is more big government, one-size-fits-none policies dictated from above. We need more local people solving their own local problems. It would also help i…
Buying instruments for public high school bands is a local problem. Cops killing citizens in broad daylight and not facing consequences is not a local problem, not any more than 9/11 was a local terrorism problem for residents of New York and Washington DC. "Let local residents handle it" was how America went through Jim Crow laws.
"Let local residents handle it" is also how we have legal marijuana and gay marriage.
Re: Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on their body cams
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why not buffer 5 hours by default? Because then you end up with recordings of things that you shouldn't have, like the officer using the restroom or a victim who has asked not to be recorded. Also, several minutes of buffer fits nicely in RAM. 5 hours would require a lot more RAM (making devices more expensive and thus harder to get deployed) or would require it to be written to flash disk which introduces new tech…
> Because then you end up with recordings of things that you shouldn't have, like the officer using the restroom or a victim who has asked not to be recorded. Then make the recordings encrypted, and ONLY let the DA have the key that decrypts them. This solves the lack of data problem, but it also prevents the police from using their own footage without authorization. > Do the math sometime on what kind of bandwidth a…
I've been saying this for a while now and I think encryption is the solution to the problem.
Instead of having an "Off" button, make the button begin ciphering the data with an officers private key. If the courts discover that there is something of interest in the duration of time that the camera is encrypting, they can compel the officer to turn over her encryption key or face a contempt charge.
This would allow either side (prosecution or defendant) to bring an argument forward and to have a judge decide if there's enough merit to warrant a decryption of the recording.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
What we need is for them to have to carry personally paid malpractice insurance that is tied to their access to qualified immunity. And if their camera is off they lose their insurance policy. Then no more access to qualified immunity. Being police is a luxury not a right.
> personally paid malpractice insurance Money is fungible. Even if the union doesn’t negotiate this insurance on a group level, passing along the premium could be quite easily baked into contract negotiations.
Yes, on average. But the cops more at-risk of gross misbehavior, if correctly identified by the insurance companies (big if), would still be priced out of the market.
Re: Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on their body cams
#128my 2 cents: anyone who even thinks of defunding the police should visit a country with no police (for example a favella in Rio at night) and report back their results. The experiment will likely not be very repeatable.
> anyone who even thinks of defunding the police should visit a country with no police (for example a favella in Rio at night)
Rio has police. The fact that they choose not to act against crime in certain cases in certain areas (and are extremely likely to act brutally against suspects from those areas in other cases) is, actually, quite parallel to the problems that underly the defund/abolish movements in the US.
But neither the defund nor even the abolish movements want there to be no law enforcement, they just want (in the defund cases) resources and peripheral responsibilities stripped from law enforcement agencies and given to more appropriate alternative agencies, or (in the abolish case) local community services, especially law enforcement, to be redesigned and radically restructured, with no 1:1 replacement for the existing main law enforcement agency (but, in virtually all cases, with the law enforcement function retained in new entities.)
Re: Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on their body cams
#129I don’t know why we accept this. It would be easy to make it so if an officer failed to turn on their body cam, and a complaint was filed (which should buffer an entire shift, or at least an hour or so), the presumption is there was misconduct and the officer should be fired, and possibly tried for criminal charges. If I failed to take appropriate records of my job, or fulfil my duties (esp if my job were safety crit…
Unfortunately filing complaints in Chicago doesn't result in discipline towards on officer. If a complaint is sustained by COPA (the agency responsible for accepting and investigating complaints) then COPA gets to make a "recommendation" to the Chicago Police Department with how to discipline the officer involved. It is then up to CPD whether they want to actually follow that recommendation or not. A separate but related issues is that officers also don't always oblige to requests for their identification in the event of an altercation.
Source: Chicago resident who has filed complaints
Re: Lax oversight allows Chicago police to avoid turning on their body cams
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
What we need is for them to have to carry personally paid malpractice insurance that is tied to their access to qualified immunity. And if their camera is off they lose their insurance policy. Then no more access to qualified immunity. Being police is a luxury not a right.
>Being police is a luxury not a right. It's a service, not a luxury.
I think the parent means that it's a career choice that in the US is quite well payed especially after some tenure, given the level of training /education required. It also comes with a ton of job protection that's rare in the US, and a pension. Couple all of that with a monopoly on violence in society, and police in the US occupy a position of unusual privilege.