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Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by StavrosK » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:19 PM UTC

IndySun wrote: post #113

"Hi, we're Funkwhale. We use cool words like decentralized, self-hosted, music, server, and of course, funk & whale. If we named it more honestly, then our defunding of musicians and creatives that depended on sales wouldn't get any love (not publicly anyway), plus the ethically vacant developers would have to work on it secretly. And to be sure, we ourselves do not create or rely on income from artistic endeavours,…

> people convince themselves digital theft is somehow not to be equated to physical theft.

It really isn't, though. If you steal my car, I won't have a car. If you copy my car, I'll have a car.

To claim that the two are equivalent is pretty indefensible, in my opinion.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by Zigurd » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:19 PM UTC

tchaffee wrote: post #2

How do musicians get paid on this platform?

Agate Berriot, the lead developer of Funkwhale, is creating a donation mechanism https://agate.blue/2019/06/09/introducing-retribute-a-decent...

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by IndySun » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:23 PM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #121

IndySun wrote: post #113

"Hi, we're Funkwhale. We use cool words like decentralized, self-hosted, music, server, and of course, funk & whale. If we named it more honestly, then our defunding of musicians and creatives that depended on sales wouldn't get any love (not publicly anyway), plus the ethically vacant developers would have to work on it secretly. And to be sure, we ourselves do not create or rely on income from artistic endeavours,…

> people convince themselves digital theft is somehow not to be equated to physical theft. It really isn't, though. If you steal my car, I won't have a car. If you copy my car, I'll have a car. To claim that the two are equivalent is pretty indefensible, in my opinion.

And where did the car come from?

The deal is, work is rewarded, not stealing work, or did I miss a meeting?

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by twostoned » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

IndySun wrote: post #113

"Hi, we're Funkwhale. We use cool words like decentralized, self-hosted, music, server, and of course, funk & whale. If we named it more honestly, then our defunding of musicians and creatives that depended on sales wouldn't get any love (not publicly anyway), plus the ethically vacant developers would have to work on it secretly. And to be sure, we ourselves do not create or rely on income from artistic endeavours,…

LOL Lars is that you?

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by IndySun » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

throwanem wrote: post #119

IndySun wrote: post #113

"Hi, we're Funkwhale. We use cool words like decentralized, self-hosted, music, server, and of course, funk & whale. If we named it more honestly, then our defunding of musicians and creatives that depended on sales wouldn't get any love (not publicly anyway), plus the ethically vacant developers would have to work on it secretly. And to be sure, we ourselves do not create or rely on income from artistic endeavours,…

Home taping is killing music!

Yes, this was first stated in the late 70s. Back then duping 10,000 cassettes took some backstreet criminal a fair amount of investment. Now we are all that backstreet crim.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by ubercow13 » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

haolez wrote: post #117

If I were to self host this on a big cloud provider, I'd be worried about the outbound bandwidth costs.

So don't host it on a cloud provider. You can host it from home, or somewhere else. For example I rent a cheap dedicated server with a 1TB hard drive and unmetered 1Gb bandwidth, for £8 a month, which would work great for something like this and there is no chance of unexpected costs.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by erfgh » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

greggman3 wrote: post #118

dvno42 wrote: post #19

I've been using this for a little over a year and like it a lot but it lacks the music discovery features of commercial platforms (which becomes important when you have terabytes of music) and takes a lot of effort to organize music and create play lists. The music onboarding process typically starts with organizing metadata with Musicbrainz Picard then import the collection into Funkwhale's DB via a cli admin tool.…

Which music service's discovery features actually work? For me the only one that worked was Google Play Music. The rest have been total and utter crap at discovery.

Youtube.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by IndySun » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

adar wrote: post #120

IndySun wrote: post #113

"Hi, we're Funkwhale. We use cool words like decentralized, self-hosted, music, server, and of course, funk & whale. If we named it more honestly, then our defunding of musicians and creatives that depended on sales wouldn't get any love (not publicly anyway), plus the ethically vacant developers would have to work on it secretly. And to be sure, we ourselves do not create or rely on income from artistic endeavours,…

You're aware that popular legal sites like BandCamp exist where musicians sell their albums in no-DRM mp3 format, right?

Note the word 'sell' in your remark.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by IndySun » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

Findeton wrote: post #115

IndySun wrote: post #113

"Hi, we're Funkwhale. We use cool words like decentralized, self-hosted, music, server, and of course, funk & whale. If we named it more honestly, then our defunding of musicians and creatives that depended on sales wouldn't get any love (not publicly anyway), plus the ethically vacant developers would have to work on it secretly. And to be sure, we ourselves do not create or rely on income from artistic endeavours,…

Well I helped create the Spanish Pirate Party so I strongly believe Funkwhale is perfectly moral. If my idols want some money, I'll be happy to go to a concert or buy their music from their webpage (but I don't think Jimi Hendrix will complain much these days).

Idols? Famous guitarists that have bubbled under your nose? What about new guitarists?

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by bigyikes » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

greggman3 wrote: post #118

dvno42 wrote: post #19

I've been using this for a little over a year and like it a lot but it lacks the music discovery features of commercial platforms (which becomes important when you have terabytes of music) and takes a lot of effort to organize music and create play lists. The music onboarding process typically starts with organizing metadata with Musicbrainz Picard then import the collection into Funkwhale's DB via a cli admin tool.…

Which music service's discovery features actually work? For me the only one that worked was Google Play Music. The rest have been total and utter crap at discovery.

I have been reasonably happy with Spotify’s discovery. It hasn’t been impressive as YouTube recommendations, but it’s still the primary way I find new music. Their generated “Discovery Weekly” playlist is a favorite of mine.