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EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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strange, they choose signal to communicate https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/24/21150918/european-commiss...

These things usually boil down to: You must not do as I do, you must do what I tell you to.

This is silly. Governments have all sorts of things like machine guns, tanks, and battleships that (rightfully) aren't allowed for the general public.

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post #5

I was told that this only happens in authoritarian regimes like China. Turns out that while everybody was talking about China exact same things were happening here in the West. It's as if the whole focus on China was specifically designed to distract people from what's happening in their own countries.

You were told a lie.

USA has been doing it as long as the second war started and never stopped.

And they consider strong encryption a weapon.

Are you familiar with the Zimmermann case?

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#123
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by “we” you mean “the UK”, I’d like to point you in the direction of the UK’s Investigatory Powers Act, which is much worse than “we don’t like encrypted chat”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_201...

That is true, but you will be able to vote for a party in power to reverse it. Not possible in case of EU.

The institutions that write these proposals in the EU have no power to put them into law, though.

Also - I am still shocked how much surveillance there is in the UK compared to mainland Europe. In the UK it's a criminal offence to refuse to hand over passwords for your devices (and encryption keys).

That is not the case in the EU, so I find it quite funny that you cite a proposal that would have to go through the parliament first and could still be overruled by national laws, as a good reason for not being in the EU :D

Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is true, but you will be able to vote for a party in power to reverse it. Not possible in case of EU.

> That is true, but you will be able to vote for a party in power to reverse it. Not possible in case of EU. Explain this logic to me please.

These things come from EC. Your vote does not influence incoming legislation. Only way to achieve something is lobbying and you'd have to find huge sums to have EC members even consider talking to you. They can make a lot of money from controlling the communication of citizens and you cannot vote them out, so what's the alternative?

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This shows that the attack was planned by the powers that be, if not planned at least not actively blocked. It was 1 guy with a weapon that the Austrian secret service was warned about. The media made it 6 people doing a huge thing, in the end it was just 1 guy with an AK47 apparently. Austrian intelligence was warned by the Slovaks about him and they let him do regardless. Just like the 9/11 stuff, they knew what wa…

> We need to leave the EU ASAP. I'd rather not. Can we fix it?

I don't think it's possible. I remind you about how much we protested against the upload filters about hosts being responsible for content their users upload, about the censorship laws in general in 2018. The protesters were called "bots". When the young people went out and protested they were defamed. In the end everything passed by a shady vote. That is why we need to leave the EU. How do you fix a dictatorship? You can't fix it, you can kill or peacefully leave. The system is flawed, read the Lisboa treaty.

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post #51
post #4

We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.

I wonder if we can make an encryption protocol that cryptographically securely encrypts an arbitrary English sentence into an English passage that sounds like it makes sense but is unrelated to the ciphertext.

I have seen a few hacky implementations of this, many years back. Essentially you use a dumb secrecy technique (every second letter of every third word). Then put your (secyrely) encrypted message as the payload.

The question of interest is "how to generate sentences that allow the most dense insertion of data?".

The best two I saw were:

* Used a copy paste (with link) of tweets / jokes / song lyrics with trite comments around them.

* Used an html formatted email with images embedded. The images were fiddled to hold the bulk of the payload and the surrounding sentences were just to describe the image to give it authenticity.

The funniest was a dirty poem generator based on an oracled (to inject the payload) monte carlo sim. It ised historic dirty letters and all sorts of poem formats.

This was at a hackathon in Hampshire (uk) ~2014

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post #30

I'm sick and tired of seeing tech-illiterate decision makers on both international levels attempt to thwart our right to privacy. Does anyone know what we or I can do (in this case specifically) to help fight this idiocy?

Hack into their devices and messaging accounts and release their own sex tapes for public consumption.

On the other hand, I'd rather not see explicit visuals of von Der Leyen and gang. The sheer horror!

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not encrypted then.

They think it is.

Well, if everything is working as planned - it is encrypted in a way, that the economy and the people are protected against criminals, but everything is still in control of the government. That is the plan. And it makes sense, from their point of view. But their point of view usually comes from law schools and not technical universities.

Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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post #30

I'm sick and tired of seeing tech-illiterate decision makers on both international levels attempt to thwart our right to privacy. Does anyone know what we or I can do (in this case specifically) to help fight this idiocy?

Yeah: run for office, win, and then effect policy change. But almost no one's willing to actually do that. They just want easy outs like "contacting your MP" or "donating to an org that says they'll try to fix it".

I mean, I organize petitions, write op-eds (incl. in major national papers), contribute to OSS, have back-and-forths with major decision makers in public, etc. ...

But I don't seem to reach through. I'd be willing to do volunteer work or start an organization, but can't really run for office as I have another career.

Besides: I don't know what party would have me, because it seems to me that the politicians don't understand the arguments nor the premise – they're no tech-experts, after all (which is part of the problem, I suspect).

Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

#130
How is this going to be enforced? The easy thing to do is to ban chat apps offering encryption. But the consequences are much greater. For example, do they need to ban Tor or I2P as well, even SSH? Unencrypted applications will gain encryption and sometimes even anonymization if encapsulated within these. What about abusing legal services using encryption for chat like purposes? All they need to do is to offer collaboration features on shared data?
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