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Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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This election should be a wake up call to entire country and Democrats in particular. There was no blue wave, if anything Biden has barely squeaked past the post. If it were not for the pandemic I'm convinced the Trump turnout for this election would have produced results rivaling Reagan in 1984. Even with a pandemic he was able to drive more voters to the polls on election day than any point in American history.

Even the Trump campaign said their base of old, white voters were dying off [1]. In another 4 years, another 7.3 million older voters (typically conservative voters) will have aged out. The country will continue to turn blue [2]. Democrats still have a lot of work to do on messaging. This was high tide for conservative votes. [3] [1] https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old... [2] https://www.pewr…

Democrats have been saying this for decades and it hasn’t panned out and won’t pan out: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-losing-ground-...

> While older Black voters look as if they’ll vote for Biden by margins similar to Clinton’s in 2016, Trump’s support among young Black voters (18 to 44) has jumped from around 10 percent in 2016 to 21 percent in UCLA Nationscape’s polling.

> It’s a similar story with younger Hispanic Americans, a group where Trump has also made gains. According to UCLA Nationscape’s polling, Trump is attracting 35 percent of Hispanic voters under age 45, up from the 22 percent who backed him four years ago in the CCES data.

UCLA polling in battleground states shows that Black voters 30-60 are three times more likely to trust congressional Republicans that Black voters over 60 (21% versus 8%). In the 18-29 group it’s almost four times (29%).

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Election law doesn’t agree with your assertion.

I was making a qualitative judgement. However, to your point election law differs form state to state so what you've said is nonsensical. In PA this is under review by the state and US supreme court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/110620zr_g31... Welcome to a crash course in civics.

This is actually not under review by the PA state courts, and the case was rejected by the SCOTUS twice already. Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection, so the result of the case is irrelevant to the outcome of the election.

Welcome to a crash course in reality.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? I really think adding little adjectives like that undermines the respectedness of the NYT

Was it close? Seems like it just took a long time to process mail in ballots because the administration tried its best to invalidate them and decrease their legitimacy.

Furthermore tumultuous does not equate to unpopular. Perhaps his supporters enjoy the chaos.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#125

> Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump Not a true statement I'm afraid. Look at the number of votes he got. Trumpism isn't going away any time soon.

I think this very much remains to be seen. There’s a history of movements like this, essentially based around one figure and lacking a coherent ideology, crumbling once Dear Leader is perceived as a loser. It’s not inevitable that that will happen in this case, but it’s certainly plausible. I would assume that most of his bluster about actually winning is aimed more at casting doubt on this in the minds of his follow…

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Feels more like closure rather than a true victory. It's going to be fun living in an utterly balkanized country the next four years.

Were we not doing that for the past four years?

As anarchists march in Portland, Miamians are worried about socialism.

Secular policies dominate in California and New York, while religion is invoked by close to every Southern Senator.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Oregon and Colorado have successfully done mail in voting for years, with safeguards like ballots having to arrive by Election Day and signature verification. Democrats fought to get rid of rules like that all over the country, and succeeded in Pennsylvania.

Signatures are still required in Pennsylvania, and many states have allowed ballots to arrive after the election for decades, including 3 of the states still uncalled (NV, NC, and Georgia). Moreover, military votes have been allowed to arrive after election day in nearly all states since at least WWII.

It’s one thing to allow a limited number of ballots to arrive for military or absentees. But states that conduct elections primarily by mail (Oregon, Colorado) require ballots to arrive by Election Day.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. No, there are allegations of USPS workers coming forward from conspiracy boards. In truth, there were no such USPS workers testifying, or even claiming, any…

You're quite literally lying or severely misinformed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-D-2GOswwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#129
post #42

If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? I really think adding little adjectives like that undermines the respectedness of the NYT

A news agency doesn't have to cater to everyone.

This is unfortunately true, but important to point out that it is only a recent truth. Historically news agencies were neutral, striving to report unbiased news. Politicizing current events is relatively new and I do not think has been a positive innovation anywhere in the world.
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