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Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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Aside: Imagine you’re driving down the road and you need to make a right turn. Well, for some reason the steering wheel is stowed away and disappeared! You need to hover your hand around the center console in a specific area to be able to expose it. Out comes the steering wheel and now you can make a right turn. Google UX/UI team: Please fucking make the mute/unmute button visible at all times.

We are in the era of three seashells. There is no turning back from this. Soon you won't be able to find the power button for anything tech industry related.

“Off switches are illegal.”

Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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From their UI to their branding to their customer services (For cloud at least), google really does seem a bit autistic as a company.

As a developer I'm a huge fan of Google Cloud. But I'd actually think really hard about chosing them if I started by own business, as the customer service is both expensive and woeful.

That and it's google, will [insert service here] exist in 10 years time?

Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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Isn't this sort of a Fizz Buzz for a UX/UI design professional? I don't mean to demean anyone, but I see this sort of a thing literally everywhere. Hiding important and absolutely crucial information (that can make or break your product) in the name of minimalism. Coming out of a company that has one of the highest hiring bars for software engineering, and yet, their products have such an awful UX/UI. This isn't an e…

I worked as a freelance graphic artist/web designer once and while I wasn't bad at the job, I really hated one aspect of it: Everybody and their kid thought they knew better than I did. When I said: "Yeah but this should really be visible, because accessibility", they would say: " But it looks better if..." People in high paid position certainly want "has taste" and "knows what looks good" to be part of their self im…

Ah ha, someone with the same experience as me. My degree is in Graphic Design, but I immediately ditched the idea of using it after university and took up programming instead because everyone has a fucking opinion when it comes to design.

Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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I recently tried to get a setup similar to this with a Fujifilm X-T20 I had lying around, remembering that Fujifilm announced similar software. Alas, that software only works with their higher end models. I ended up getting a $10 HDMI USB capture stick from Aliexpress. I get a perfect 1080p/60fps signal, and at least on Linux it worked out of the box with Zoom. The only problem now is that most of my meetings start w…

This is interesting, could you link to the device you used? Do you know if it would work on Chrome OS?

I got this one: https://aliexpress.com/item/4000917130635.html

They are also available on Amazon under a bunch of different brands, e.g. https://www.amazon.com/LENCENT-1080p60fps-Definition-Acquisi...

It's recognized as UVC (USB Video Class) device. Can't say for sure if Chrome OS can handle those.

Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this sort of a Fizz Buzz for a UX/UI design professional? I don't mean to demean anyone, but I see this sort of a thing literally everywhere. Hiding important and absolutely crucial information (that can make or break your product) in the name of minimalism. Coming out of a company that has one of the highest hiring bars for software engineering, and yet, their products have such an awful UX/UI. This isn't an e…

I worked as a freelance graphic artist/web designer once and while I wasn't bad at the job, I really hated one aspect of it: Everybody and their kid thought they knew better than I did. When I said: "Yeah but this should really be visible, because accessibility", they would say: " But it looks better if..." People in high paid position certainly want "has taste" and "knows what looks good" to be part of their self im…

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Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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Aside: Imagine you’re driving down the road and you need to make a right turn. Well, for some reason the steering wheel is stowed away and disappeared! You need to hover your hand around the center console in a specific area to be able to expose it. Out comes the steering wheel and now you can make a right turn. Google UX/UI team: Please fucking make the mute/unmute button visible at all times.

We are in the era of three seashells. There is no turning back from this. Soon you won't be able to find the power button for anything tech industry related.

I looked like an idiot trying to find a power button for a meeting a few weeks back. Literally stood there feeling up the TV for a good few minutes.

I'm a 28 yr old software developer.

Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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post #94

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https://www.meetenhancementsuite.com/ Not that you should have to install an extension to get basic UX

To be fair a lot of sites do need it, especially for more power user level UX. See BetterTTV, RES, etc. Sites generally don't target power users, understandably.

The British PM just had to tell a major media journalist to unmute during the press conference introducing the new quasi-lockdown, so I think we can safely say that Mute button and status is no longer a power-user feature ;)

Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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I wish my coworkers would stop using background blur. It sucks and it’s distracting. Your hair and hands pop in and out of blur. Sometimes part of your face will blur. I don’t care if your workspace is messy or your kid walks in the room. I do care that we’re all being distracted by your weirdly blurred hair and hands.

Your co-workers have a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding their home life and family members.

Given that many had to start WfH with short notice meaning they couldn't relocate to circumstances enabling a dedicated home office space blurry hair and hands are a very reasonable compromise.

Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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I have similar problems with Zoom. The mute/unmute changes position and can be hidden in a top bar that slides out. In some fullscreen situations there is no button to get out of fullscreen. Sometimes double-click works, sometimes it doesn't. Recently I could not even alt-tab away, basically my computer got 'locked' by zoom. https://tacosteemers.com/articles/2020-10-16-ux-anti-pattern...

I imagine most know this by now but the space bar works as a push to talk button in Zoom (as long as it has focus of course). I really think there is a market for a physical video conference controller. If I could get a hefty slab of something with quality buttons to enable/disable video, push to talk/mute/unmute, bring to foreground, ‘on air’ light and end call, I’d easily pay $100 for it.

These exist, but they're quite a bit more expensive. They're really nice to have though, and one reason I sometimes miss the office.

https://meetingdevices.withgoogle.com/

I bet there is similar hardware the works with Zoom.

Googler, opinions my own.

Re: Background Features in Google Meet, Powered by Web ML

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I don’t understand this part: > In the current version, model inference is executed on the client’s CPU for low power consumption and widest device coverage. Naively I would think model inference done server side would have the lower CPU power (from the client point of view) and widest device coverage (client does nothing more), what am I missing ?

It is done on the CPU instead of the GPU. GPU would seem like the natural choice for a convolution heavy model but was not used here for the mentioned reasons.
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