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How journalists use youtube-dl

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Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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> The “you can see it but you must watch and ad” model... ... funds OTA television. Also funds YT. With OTA, it is okay to record OTA broadcasts using a VCR, so I'm not sure why youtube-dl would be different.

The different, Google would argue, is that YouTube-dl doesn't download the ads, while a VCR captures ads and content alike. But really, if the VCR were invented today, it would be made illegal.

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Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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I have friends in law enforcement who use youtube-dl to save copies of videos involving crimes or criminal allegations, from quite a few different social media and video sites. Speaking with them, it seems the associated metadata (json/xml?) and output log contain valuable information to go along with the video from an evidentiary perspective. Also the fact that youtube-dl has many test cases in the code goes towards…

Law enforcement already has an anti-circ exemption under 17 USC 1201(e), though a finding against youtube-dl would limit it's (or similar tools') availability and/or functionality. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

Nit: I presume you mean 17 USC 1201 (e) " Law Enforcement, Intelligence, and Other Government Activities."

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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Sorry for being behind on this discussion, but how can there possibly be a legal basis for taking down open-source software on the basis that it might be used for infringing someone's copyright? Can they takedown my web browser and operating system too? These are general purpose tools. It's sad that the conversation is all about justifying its use - I think the takedown is absolutely unjustified. GitHub should have l…

The continuous integration environment downloaded a few seconds of copyrighted content bc those videos have obfuscation they needed to test. The RIAA claims that this is a violation. Youtube dl claims it's fair use.

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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#1 is an activity protected by fair use, and something fairly important. Imagine a world where you can't reference images or clips in your journalism or reviews, forever having to rely on only licensed material and descriptions.

Fair use does not override the TOS which YouTube-DP violates

You can’t issue a DMCA takedown for software that violates someone’s TOS. (Never mind that it’s someone else’s TOS.)

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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#1 is an activity protected by fair use, and something fairly important. Imagine a world where you can't reference images or clips in your journalism or reviews, forever having to rely on only licensed material and descriptions.

Fair use does not override the TOS which YouTube-DP violates

Please quote relevant TOS.

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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The process for a subpoena takes forever and isn't guaranteed. If I have a subject who has relevant video on a service like YouTube, and I decide to go the subpoena route, here's the process: - Find the exact video, document the URL, Content creator's account name, and video upload date. - Submit a preservation letter to Google to ensure the video will still be accessible when the subpoena is auctioned. - go to my pr…

"It's _hard word_ doing policing right! Why don't we just chokehold this black guy till he confesses to a crime?" :sigh:

I mean, 'taking a copy of publicly-available evidence' instead of asking someone else to provide it isn't exactly 'not doing policing properly'.

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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The process for a subpoena takes forever and isn't guaranteed. If I have a subject who has relevant video on a service like YouTube, and I decide to go the subpoena route, here's the process: - Find the exact video, document the URL, Content creator's account name, and video upload date. - Submit a preservation letter to Google to ensure the video will still be accessible when the subpoena is auctioned. - go to my pr…

"It's _hard word_ doing policing right! Why don't we just chokehold this black guy till he confesses to a crime?" :sigh:

Maybe save that argument for where it applies?

In this thread we're talking about publicly available data.

The fact that the path that works for non-public data is burdensome is good because it reduces abuse. Demanding that it be used for public data too just creates more pressure to undermine the (already insufficient, IMO) protections that exist for private data.

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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it still isn't. I can't watch 720p videos on my thin client with browser overhead, but I can with mpv.

What browser are you using? Google has been known to make YouTube perform worse on browsers that aren’t Chrome.

Actually Chrome on Linux doesn't use hardware acceleration for video playback and never did, while the most recent Firefox almost does, if one turns a couple of experimental knobs.

Re: How journalists use youtube-dl

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My two big uses cases for youtube-dl: 1) Downloading videos to use later in editing for analysis pieces / editorial videos. 2) Download videos that may disappear in a "No longer available" blackhole. The 2nd is incredibly useful and telling when you go back, look up videos by their ID, and see what has been deleted. I'd also recommend changing the OUTPUT format to include the channel name or Twitter account, so you c…

It is really distressing to see how many of the videos in my, admittedly quite large, favourites list are gone by now. Even ones that I only added in the past few weeks. Either simply "Deleted", "Private" or "Removed/Blocked by the copyright holder". In most cases I have trouble even finding out what the title of the video even was.

One layer of the internet is about packets, another is about ordered sequential streams — and both are widely supported protocols. Above these could potentially sit a dissemination layer, retaining and persisting anything of interest. But in a legal system where information can be speech or property, it is problematic to do that as a standard protocol. Instead we have archive.org, The Archive Team, BitTorrent, and a million progressively less durable options from there, including some of us running youtube-dl on videos of interest, grabbing PDF’s off Arxiv, SSRN, etc. I’m not sure what to do about any of this except a yearly donation to archive.org, and accepting the great distributed fitness function of fate.
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