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Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by e12e »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #98
swebs wrote: post #25

So how do I install it on Ubuntu?

sudo apt install kde-full

Presumably that would get you the previous release, if running Ubuntu 20.04? You'd either need a custom ppa, build it yourself, or run the early version of 20.10 (oth look at the date, I guess 20.10 is out? So maybe wait for 21.04?).

Ed: not quite yet, October 22nd, apparently : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

And 20.10 will "only" come with plasma 5.19 - so it's ppa/bacports or 21.04 alpha for 5.20 looks like:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GroovyGorilla/Beta/Kubuntu

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/09/kde-plasma-5-20-release-...

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#122

Post by mac01021 »

seego wrote: post #9
mac01021 wrote: post #6

>when you open several windows with the same application (like when you open several LibreOffice documents), the Task Manager will group them together. This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Why don't the designers of 21st-century desktop environments understand that my 3 PDF files have nothing to do with one another? The same goes for my terminals, my text buffers, my web pages.... Why group things that are in…

Why configure it when it denies an opportunity to rant?

Well, I can do both.... :)

Configure for my own use, and rant about the predominance of an inferior way of thinking.

And, with less-configurable DEs, ranting (or being silently tolerant) is the only option.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#123

Post by dheera »

thomond wrote: post #12
mac01021 wrote: post #6

>when you open several windows with the same application (like when you open several LibreOffice documents), the Task Manager will group them together. This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Why don't the designers of 21st-century desktop environments understand that my 3 PDF files have nothing to do with one another? The same goes for my terminals, my text buffers, my web pages.... Why group things that are in…

> This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Well maybe it's what everyone else wants. Either way it's just the default they're changing, one good thing about grouping in Plasma is it lets you exclude certain applications so you can exclude your PDF viewer. Alot of other environments give an all or nothing approach.

> Well maybe it's what everyone else wants.

It's not what I want either, and it's not what most other Linux users I know want either.

It's copying the behavior of MacOS, plain and simple, and I disagree with them doing that. I don't use MacOS because I don't like MacOS, and the last thing I want is MacOS-like Linux.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by gosukiwi »

mac01021 wrote: post #6

>when you open several windows with the same application (like when you open several LibreOffice documents), the Task Manager will group them together. This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Why don't the designers of 21st-century desktop environments understand that my 3 PDF files have nothing to do with one another? The same goes for my terminals, my text buffers, my web pages.... Why group things that are in…

Well, on Windows, you just move the cursor over the group and then you get a detailed list, so you still do the same with the same number of clicks, almost the same amount of motion, and less screen space. I think it's a pretty good UX.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#125

Post by Zren »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #20

KDE 5 Plasma is amazing. Subjectively, I feel the following about it: after over 2 decades of being extremely buggy and extremely ugly, KDE has became a culmination of desktop PC GUI design, the best I've experienced so far (tiling WMs can be better in certain tasks and settings but not universally). Manjaro with recent KDE provides me what I call "a lot like Mac but way better" experience (surely, there are aspects…

> KDE still has not reached Unity

* https://github.com/Zren/plasma-hud for HUD

* https://github.com/Zren/material-decoration for LIM (Locally Integrated Menus in titlebars) though it'll have whatever issues the Global Menu panel widget has.

> I don't want tray messages to pop-up as soon as I start copying files. I'm not even sure I want them when the process finishes (perhaps there is a less annoying way to know it's done).

If you disable the progress animations + count badges in the taskbar I think it'll show it's own dedicated window like Windows.

> Yakuake to actually replace Konsole so whenever I click "open terminal here"

https://zren.github.io/kde/yakuake/#6-add-open-yakuake-here-...

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#126

Post by eitland »

konart wrote: post #112
jokethrowaway wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you, that's nothing a custom theme / engine can't fix. Fonts on linux are not that great as well, by default. KDE is quite a useful Desktop Environment packed with functionality; I miss KDE a lot when using Mac OS X or Windows.

>While I agree with you, that's nothing a custom theme / engine can't fix. For many people this is a turn off rather than a great thing. I've been using Ubuntu and the Arch for many years before switching to macOS (OSX at the time). Even now you have to compile and install a custom theming engine[1] in KDE to apple decent themes [1] https://github.com/tsujan/Kvantum/tree/master/Kvantum

> For many people this is a turn off rather than a great thing. I've been using Ubuntu and the Arch for many years before switching to macOS (OSX at the time).

I don't follow: you point out an issue with KDE styling before saying you use MacOS that is even harder to style?

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by eitland »

dheera wrote: post #123
thomond wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Well maybe it's what everyone else wants. Either way it's just the default they're changing, one good thing about grouping in Plasma is it lets you exclude certain applications so you can exclude your PDF viewer. Alot of other environments give an all or nothing approach.

> Well maybe it's what everyone else wants. It's not what I want either, and it's not what most other Linux users I know want either. It's copying the behavior of MacOS, plain and simple, and I disagree with them doing that. I don't use MacOS because I don't like MacOS, and the last thing I want is MacOS-like Linux.

> I don't use MacOS because I don't like MacOS, and the last thing I want is MacOS-like Linux.

Same here, but grouping applications when the taskbar is full isn't too unreasonable, is it? It is not even necessarily copied from Mac, it might have been Windows who introduced or at least made it mainstream I think (It wouldn't surprise me at all if it existed on some Linux Desktop environment as an option before that.)

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#128

Post by eitland »

gosukiwi wrote: post #124
mac01021 wrote: post #6

>when you open several windows with the same application (like when you open several LibreOffice documents), the Task Manager will group them together. This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Why don't the designers of 21st-century desktop environments understand that my 3 PDF files have nothing to do with one another? The same goes for my terminals, my text buffers, my web pages.... Why group things that are in…

Well, on Windows, you just move the cursor over the group and then you get a detailed list, so you still do the same with the same number of clicks, almost the same amount of motion, and less screen space. I think it's a pretty good UX.

Exist on KDE too :-)

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#129

Post by teekert »

eMSF wrote: post #97
brylie wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently decided to give stock Ubuntu with Gnome a try, coming from KDE. After about two weeks of missing some of the simple pleasures of KDE, like being able to right-click in the file browser to create a new file or resizing windows to the left/right side of the window with Meta-left/right (which is somehow buggy in Gnome), I landed back in KDE-land with Neon. I briefly toyed with the idea of Manjaro, but am not…

>like being able to right-click in the file browser to create a new file or resizing windows to the left/right side of the window with Meta-left/right It's been possible to create files in the file browser (in Nautilus/Gnome) for as long as I can remember – you just have to have "templates" for the files you want to create in your Templates directory (e.g. "C file.c", "Text file.txt"). That being said, unfortunately…

"it's faster and more convenient to just click "Open Terminal here" and create any files you need with touch."

Reminds me of another thing I love about Dolphin: hit f4 and a terminal pops up at the bottom of the window. That feature is addictive and I had withdrawal symptoms when I switched to Gnome (again) :)

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by anoncake »

eitland wrote: post #126
konart wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>While I agree with you, that's nothing a custom theme / engine can't fix. For many people this is a turn off rather than a great thing. I've been using Ubuntu and the Arch for many years before switching to macOS (OSX at the time). Even now you have to compile and install a custom theming engine[1] in KDE to apple decent themes [1] https://github.com/tsujan/Kvantum/tree/master/Kvantum

> For many people this is a turn off rather than a great thing. I've been using Ubuntu and the Arch for many years before switching to macOS (OSX at the time). I don't follow: you point out an issue with KDE styling before saying you use MacOS that is even harder to style?

Some people confuse being able to customize things and having to do so because the defaults are bad.
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