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Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by nlitened »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #100
nlitened wrote: post #92

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Why wouldn't you use Android then? I would personally like to continue paying higher prices to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages with push notifications, please.

Something can be said for both. I have built a couple of 15 year old websites with passionate users who have been begging me for an app. Not to replicate the website, which works perfectly on mobile and is very up to date with best practices. They just want it for push notifications. I can switch to Android, yes. But my users won't switch phones for just my website. And I can recommend something like Pushover, but th…

Why wouldn't you just do exactly what your users passionately want, and make a small app just for notifications? You may even make it paid, so that your efforts are compensated -- I am sure, the users will be happy to support you.

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Post by bigiain »

metaloqui wrote: post #56
saagarjha wrote: post #29

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Apple has always given one week to use the golden master tools and build to run final tests on and submit your applications so they can be out before a million people try to install it on iOS 14. If your iOS distribution person is out on a camping trip for a couple days, you’re not hitting the deadline anymore. If you live in certain parts of the world where you wake up 7 hours after the event and Xcode takes fifteen…

Unless your app is broken by the iOS update there's no more urgency to release an update than there is for point releases.

I am in a slightly uncomfortable position of being _fairly_ sure none of our apps were broken under iOS14beta6 last week, but still assumed I'd get the traditional week between the new xCode GM and users getting iOS14 pushed out to them.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

stale2002 wrote: post #105
nlitened wrote: post #92

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Why wouldn't you use Android then? I would personally like to continue paying higher prices to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages with push notifications, please.

> to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages I am not sure why other people being allowed to install other browsers on their phone would force you to do anything.

Because app developers will use other browser engines allowing them to ignore any of the privacy constraints in place at the moment.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha »

alex_duf wrote: post #103
saagarjha wrote: post #43

This article is missing the best part, that the new Xcode you have to use to build your app was released today at 11 AM, with a build number of ‘208. It was a really strange build in that it was missing components to build for Apple silicon: for that you need to use the old beta, which Apple has kept up on their website so you can juggle both. But that’s not all! Soon afterwards they changed the website saying the ne…

Gee, it sounds like even devs internally weren't aware of it and everyone's scrambling.

Probably. Unless they’re something that clearly explains why this update just had to go out tomorrow, like new iPhones shipping or something, the people who signed off on this should be writing a report tomorrow about how badly they’ve damaged developer relations and created a huge amount of work internally for the app review team and probably the engineering as well. The fact that the main part of the even from today that I care about is a ten second snippet from Tim instead of how fast A14 Bionic is or whatever is a really bad look for how much this has ruined developer trust in Apple.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha »

bigiain wrote: post #115
tikkabhuna wrote: post #58

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That's a decision made by Microsoft which has pros and cons. There's significant overhead in maintaining this backwards compatibility. For an OS used by corporations all over the world, its worth it. For a mobile OS it will likely reduce their ability to deliver changes.

Apple used to give a shit there. They did a bunch of extra work so you could run OS9 apps under OSX for a few years, and they did an amazing job of making 68000 code run on PowerPC...

Wait until you see Rosetta.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by bigiain »

saagarjha wrote: post #68
numair wrote: post #65

Wait, what? Did Apple announce that GM is released to public beta, or did they announce that they are actually pushing out iOS 14 to over 1B devices as of tomorrow? Because the two are very different. If it’s the former, I agree with the author that it’s a complete disaster for a lot of development teams. There is really no sane reason to do something like this, so I just can’t imagine it’s true — it’s not like the O…

Latter: iOS 14 is going out to 2 billion devices tomorrow, probably 10 AM.

My phone is offering to install it right now (In Australia, 19:35:00+10:00). It's _possible_ I'm getting it early because I've been running the recent betas on this phone.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha »

bigiain wrote: post #122
metaloqui wrote: post #56

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Unless your app is broken by the iOS update there's no more urgency to release an update than there is for point releases.

I am in a slightly uncomfortable position of being _fairly_ sure none of our apps were broken under iOS14beta6 last week, but still assumed I'd get the traditional week between the new xCode GM and users getting iOS14 pushed out to them.

Nit: last week’s release was beta 8.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by saagarjha »

bigiain wrote: post #126
saagarjha wrote: post #68

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Latter: iOS 14 is going out to 2 billion devices tomorrow, probably 10 AM.

My phone is offering to install it right now (In Australia, 19:35:00+10:00). It's _possible_ I'm getting it early because I've been running the recent betas on this phone.

That’s probably the GM, which went out today.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by manigandham »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #123
stale2002 wrote: post #105

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> to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages I am not sure why other people being allowed to install other browsers on their phone would force you to do anything.

Because app developers will use other browser engines allowing them to ignore any of the privacy constraints in place at the moment.

That's already possible, and an app has far more access to your device and data anyway.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by unnouinceput »

ecmascript wrote: post #94
unnouinceput wrote: post #74

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web will never become as fast as native apps. it's the model. until that one is changed this will always be a fact.

Sure that is true, but it is fast enough for many apps already and will be even faster in the future or do you really argue that most native apps on Apple Store couldn't be done as a web app?

Yes, you're right. actually not most, but more close to 95% of them apps could be done as web instead. Yet, on mission critical apps while they can be done as web apps, the decision to make them native it's not a choice, is a must.
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