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Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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That's a slap fight over bits of ice and rock compared to a real WW2/WW3 style war.

I don't know if the supply of clean water really counts as rock and ice or slap fighting.

The current conflict locations aren't near the headwaters of the Ganges, which are mostly on India's side of the Himalayas. They are near the headwaters for the Indus, but most of that flows to Pakistan.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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Did an MBA in Hong Kong, just finished earlier this year. A lot of my classmates are mainland Chinese. Bunch of them would regularly talk with each other and say that military action was the only way to resolve the situation, China needs to send its military to Taiwan and overrun the Taiwanese defenses quickly. Baffles my mind that they're so ready to default to war. Some other mainland Chinese people are more nuance…

Maybe now is the time to rip off the bandaid and break trade with China while we're already in a recession anyway.

I think you misunderstand how much of the world's electronics are manufactured in China and how difficult it would be to relocate all that. Like I'm invested in a rare earth element company in Canada, and I still expect to see the world rely on Chinese rare earth elements for a few years yet, let alone manufacturing know-how. It'll take a few years, maybe a decade, to set all that up in other countries, including in the US. Obama once asked Steve Jobs why the iPhone can't be manufactured in the US, Jobs said the skills weren't there. https://www.heraldtribune.com/article/LK/20120123/News/60519... And it's not like the American education system is the greatest. Great universities, but what of the high schools?

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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Those annexations were "easy". Take Guam, for instance, I'd love to see someone try to annex it by force.

Didn't America annex it by force?

I'd love to see someone try to annex it by force, now.

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I was taught to prepare for globalization in most of my business classes in college. The world was now flat so you must prepare. We must be willing to compete and allow free trade as the internet (specifically the www) has opened the entire world up. But what’s really happened is that the internet has given new powers to governments to regulate and control the people. While I would love to talk about how big and bad…

> what’s happening to the Uighur people. Let's call it what it is; genocide [1]. [1] - https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/chinas-forced-steri...

Didn’t want to get down voted by the CCP but looks like it happened anyways lol.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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From a simpletons perspective, I don't understand why we get to have a say of how a country reclaims its former territory. Especially from Westerners(not even land connected) who have no claim whatsoever. Why do we have a negative outlook on our former empires colonizing the world while at the same time doing everything possible to retain profits/power from these bad things we shouldn't be doing? Very hypocritical to…

The universal declaration of human rights declares the right to self determination. I don't think it's hypocritical for the United States to preach principles of human rights.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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The rest of the world needs to wake up and realize that China is not messing around. There will be a long list of Hong Kong’s if we continue to look the other way to authoritarian regimes.

Capital isn't going to let the US or Europe against China until it is entirely unavoidable (e.g. China invades say, Japan or Korea).

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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post #116

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Taiwan is in 'China' in the same way as both North Korea and South Korea are in Korea. The difference is that the People's Republic of China (what 'China' usually refers to) has decided that the Republic of China has ceased to exist in 1949 (Taiwan is the last remaining territory controlled by the Republic of China) and that they are strong enough to largely 'enforce' this policy on the world stage. So, of course for…

Yes, but my point is that most of the world, including the US, has agreed to acknowledge the One China policy as correct in order to access China on a diplomatic and trade basis. Hence why it's not so easy to resolve.

The PRC controls 99% of China (that's about the ratio between the PRC and Taiwan). There was not really a choice there.

As a European I don't really see what there is to resolve. I can just hope that things stay peaceful.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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What has happened to Hong Kong is a strong canary-in-the-coal-mine indicator for other Chinese territorial disputes [i]. With Hong Kong it was somewhat inevitable but I can't help but imagine how different it would be if the US and EU/Britain (as leads) would have strongly denounced their approach. I suspect in a decade from now the West will be lamenting how Hong Kong was the right opportunity to stifle China's ambi…

> I can't help but imagine how different it would be if the US and EU/Britain (as leads) would have strongly denounced their approach.

What? What could the US have done beyond what we did other than all out war? The US response to this was very harsh.

We undid 50 years of diplomacy with China, and have started building a sortof SEA equivalent to NATO.

Chinese/American relations have probably never been as unfriendly as they are right now, and Hong Kong is a major part of that. Seriously I don’t know what the next step would be that wasn’t a de facto, weapons-hot war.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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Does anyone here have an informed opinion on what will happen to Taiwan?

It is unknown what will happen to Taiwan. It will depend on the overall relationship between US/China, and between China/Taiwan. If Taiwan declares independence or develops nuclear weapons, expect war within a year. If the status quo continues, then peace is likely to continue. China will probably acquire the capability to militarily invade in 2025-2030 even with US intervention.

>If Taiwan declares independence or develops nuclear weapons, expect war within a year.

It's my understanding that Taiwan is a nuclear threshold state and has pretty much everything in place to build nuclear weapons in a very short time. Similar to Japan and Germany.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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I want to say that defence treaties, are a bit special in the context of USA. Why USA has historically entered into so many treaties? They reason is is because USA's constitutional arrangement makes it really hard for the US government to declare a war... on the paper. So, by giving a treaty, USA was giving the strongest assurance that by turning a treaty into its own law, it prevents the chance of anybody in the con…

That’s an important point. From a political standpoint, one of the purposes of the defense treaties has been to discourage allies from building up their own militaries. This was an explicit policy in the wake of WW2 to promote both US hegemony, but also to promote stability - the theory being a world with one dominant military power is less likely to see large wars like WW1 and WW2.

Pax Americana, like Pax Britannica before it. Wonder how much longer that can hold?
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