Even Google has this problem[0].
Scrollbar Blindness
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Re: Scrollbar Blindness
#122While folks are rightfully bashing macOS’s hidden scroll bars, I would like to advertise an iOS feature that is actually pro-scroll bar. As of iOS 13, you can grab the scroll bar to scroll at hyper speed rather than repeatedly flicking the screen. Not sure if there’s a proper name for this feature but it’s explained here https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/08/05/scroll-faster-iphon...
Re: Scrollbar Blindness
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't even understand why they would remove them? Who ever complained of a scroll bar? IMO it's all part of this push to combine mobile and desktop UI. On mobile there is a legitimate case to be made for removing them because screen real estate is so precious. But desktop gets clobbered as an unwanted side effect.
I actually think it has more to do with the increasing size and sophistication of the touchpad in Macs. There is no need for a scroll bar when you have a touchpad you can flick (likewise for magic mice).
On a long page, it's really annoying and for some users not possible to flick scroll a long way. On desktop at least I can hit home or end. Removal of the scrollbar is arguably more user hostile on mobile than it is on desktop :/
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#124If you read between the lines, you should understand that the root cause of issue is the macOS developer monoculture. All you need is one Windows or Linux-based developer in your team to catch those kind of issues. But so many dev teams are macOS-only those days, whereas, apart from US and 2-3 other rich countries, 80%+ or even more of actual desktop users are Windows-based. (There are many other problems with macOS…
I think the macOS monoculture is going to go away in the next few years because on one side macOS is becoming more and more developer hostile with each release and on the other side WSL (and WSL2) is improving the Windows developer experience a lot. I use Windows as my daily driver OS now for both native/web/mobile/devops work and I expect to see more and more developers making that same switch in the coming years.
Linux on laptops is getting much better too. Is a great alternative now for developers.
Re: Scrollbar Blindness
#125I really like the dichotomy presented in the argument that I should change my settings so scrollbars are always visible because they're ugly and not needed.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Developers (seemingly a lot of them?) use a touchpad as their primary input device on a regular basis? I guess this is an example of being in my own bubble, but I can't stand touchpads. I've used the touchpad on MacBook, like, twice in 2 years.
Full stack dev, 8 ~ 12 hours a day on my 2015 MBP 13" touchpad. No regrets.
using laptop screen? How is your posture?
Re: Scrollbar Blindness
#127Another one of such thing: please try to scroll on your site using a mouse wheel from time to time, even if you're normally using a touchpad (from your laptop or an external one)! Lot of fancy homepage with scroll animations are awful on anything that isn't scrolling as smoothly as a MacBookPro touchpad. Example: https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ is horrible to use on anything that isn't a mobile device or a Mac.
Oh man, that's pretty horrible even using a Mac mini with a scroll wheel mouse.
Re: Scrollbar Blindness
#128If you read between the lines, you should understand that the root cause of issue is the macOS developer monoculture. All you need is one Windows or Linux-based developer in your team to catch those kind of issues. But so many dev teams are macOS-only those days, whereas, apart from US and 2-3 other rich countries, 80%+ or even more of actual desktop users are Windows-based. (There are many other problems with macOS…
> outside of your country ... most people do not have a Mac, I think you mean outside of the Bay Area. For PCs/Desktop Apple has like 12% market share in the US. 7% globally.
Developers, not general computer market share.
Re: Scrollbar Blindness
#129If you read between the lines, you should understand that the root cause of issue is the macOS developer monoculture. All you need is one Windows or Linux-based developer in your team to catch those kind of issues. But so many dev teams are macOS-only those days, whereas, apart from US and 2-3 other rich countries, 80%+ or even more of actual desktop users are Windows-based. (There are many other problems with macOS…
I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of US desktops were Windows. Their users are probably also less tech literate than the Mac users.
More like 95%
Re: Scrollbar Blindness
#130If you read between the lines, you should understand that the root cause of issue is the macOS developer monoculture. All you need is one Windows or Linux-based developer in your team to catch those kind of issues. But so many dev teams are macOS-only those days, whereas, apart from US and 2-3 other rich countries, 80%+ or even more of actual desktop users are Windows-based. (There are many other problems with macOS…
I think the macOS monoculture is going to go away in the next few years because on one side macOS is becoming more and more developer hostile with each release and on the other side WSL (and WSL2) is improving the Windows developer experience a lot. I use Windows as my daily driver OS now for both native/web/mobile/devops work and I expect to see more and more developers making that same switch in the coming years.
Agreed. I grew up in the 90s using Windows. Bought my first MBP in 2009 and within a few years was using Macs almost entirely. Started using a Windows machine as my primary earlier this year for a new job and now I rarely touch my MBP. Took a little time to get used to Windows again, but I'm quite content. Windows 10 is excellent, and so is the ThinkPad T480s I'm using.