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Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by IggleSniggle »

kingnothing wrote: post #103
oblio wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly interested about this, Facebook is a big company. Is there no case of FB screwing over its partners? Like locking or limiting an API that they had offered in the past, etc. One thing that comes to mind immediately is that Facebook Messenger used to be accessible through XMPP and then they blocked that.

Facebook's entire graph API significantly undermined what developers could do compared to the old API when it rolled out in 2011 or 2012. I was working for a social media advertising company at the time and it was certainly detrimental. They didn't consult with us, the industry using their API.

As a developer currently working for a faceless Corp that never seems to actually consult with it’s users (in a mostly unrelated industry) for any user impactful choice..I’m sorry.

I would say maybe you could take comfort in knowing that you essentially sponsored someone who wanted to help produce a world of clean, adaptable code, but the truth is I’m just another mid-rate dev producing immense value to an ironically named faceless org.

Anyway, no thanks for ads and surveillance tech but at the same time thanks for keeping me employed and thanks for keeping the viability of these pursuits going I think?

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by hinkley »

The abuser playbook really is pretty standard. I'm kind of surprised we don't have classes on how to avoid being on the receiving end.

Push the person until they crack, then call for discretion and dialog about the 'problem' so you don't get what's coming to you.

But that would probably conflict tremendously with the corporate interests that inform our public education system.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by IggleSniggle »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #58
Joeri wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do newspapers need to know what websites every subscriber visits in order to put ads in the paper? The idea that privacy needs to be conceded in order for a healthy ad market to exist is false.

Sure. As long as the flip side of that argument is equally appreciated - ad revenue pays for the apps, so less revenue will necessarily lead to fewer "free" apps and/or fewer "free" features and/or worse quality. It's a rational response of the intermediary (i.e. app makers) to the customers (i.e. advertisers) having less access to the product (i.e. us).

Is it wrong that I’ve consistently had better experiences with paid apps than advertising supported apps? Perhaps it has something to do with the alignment of incentives.

Anyway, I don’t begrudge anyone who has worked in the ad business, but I do wonder if folks might be happier optimizing for something of real lasting value in comparison to the gambling business.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by ignoramous »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #102

In iOS 13, Apple and third-party ad tracking were both controlled by the same opt-out setting. In iOS 14, the settings have been split, with third party tracking disabled and and Apple’s tracking enabled by default. Blatant anticompetitive behavior to promote their own tracking services in the guise of protecting users. Genius move by Apple. https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?...

At least there is a way to opt-out compared to, say, things like this: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=carrieriq&sort=byPopularity&pr...

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by Nextgrid »

noxer wrote: post #38

The online ads business is collapsing. I predicted that some years ago and now the first signs become visible. First data collecting will be come harder and harder because people simply don't want that anymore. Then if targeted ads are no longer possible we have a level playing field again where everyone can deliver ads not just the big players. And finally if ads do no longer pay for everything on the net we will fi…

I think the online ad business is collapsing (collapsing might be a strong word, but there's definitely a bubble bursting and the market needing a big readjustment) not because of technical problems but simply because people have a certain amount of time and attention and anything beyond that is a waste of money. The advertising industry unfortunately did not understand that and most people are saturated with ads (crappy, low-quality ones for the most part too) and learned to tune them out or outright block them. This may not have happened if the ad quantity remained reasonable.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by danShumway »

gregorythecat wrote: post #48

Given the attitude on HN about iOS14, I don’t think most here grasp the implication of gutting ad attribution. All publishers (news sites, indie games, etc) are going to see huge drops in CPM. It could easily be a business ending shift. Sure removing IDFA will help protect user privacy, but let’s not kid ourselves that there will not be collateral damage. Being a third party publisher will be that much harder and wal…

> I don’t think most here grasp the implication of gutting ad attribution.

> All publishers (news sites, indie games, etc) are going to see huge drops in CPM. It could easily be a business ending shift.

Your second statement might not imply the first. It could be that publishers are going to see business disrupting shifts in CPM, and we are aware of that fact, and still support the changes.

"Why is everyone praising this? Don't they realize that it will make it harder to track them?"

At the same time, there's something really telling that after all of the years of the advertising industry talking about how users actually want to be tracked and targeted, they are nonetheless terrified of something as simple as a prominent opt-out button.

If advertisers sincerely believed that users wanted what they were offering, then they wouldn't view it as an existential threat for users to have the ability to turn the offer down. If the take is, "users having control over their own data will be devastating for the advertisers", then honestly that's kind of a big signal that the advertising industry is out of control and needs some business disrupting shifts.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by _jal »

freeone3000 wrote: post #53
ffpip wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sue Apple for putting privacy first and informing users of clear opt-out choice right below the opt-in?

Yes. Apple is using their monopoly position to harm their business of selling private data of consumers.

They're also harming my SaaS (Stalking as a Service) offering. Call my lawyers!

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by dhimes »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #102

In iOS 13, Apple and third-party ad tracking were both controlled by the same opt-out setting. In iOS 14, the settings have been split, with third party tracking disabled and and Apple’s tracking enabled by default. Blatant anticompetitive behavior to promote their own tracking services in the guise of protecting users. Genius move by Apple. https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?...

That looks like iOS 14- I don't see that separation in 13.6
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