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How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by ohgodplsno »

balfirevic wrote: post #120
ohgodplsno wrote: post #92

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>Ariane is being eaten alive by SpaceX, and the bureaucrats won't move fast enough. They can't even agree on Ariane 6 Arianespace and SpaceX are not even playing in the same court. Ariane 6 is made for heavy payloads, SpaceX can barely lift medium weight satellites. Yann LeCun? He was literally already studying in Toronto in the 80s, he didn't flee France for Facebook. As for startups, yes, we do. Are they unicorns?…

> Arianespace and SpaceX are not even playing in the same court. Ariane 6 is made for heavy payloads, SpaceX can barely lift medium weight satellites. Ariane 6, which isn't even flying yet, is projected to lift 10350 kg - 21650 kg to LEO, depending on the version [0]. Falcon Heavy can lift 63800 kg to LEO in expendable mode [1]. You were indeed correct that they are not playing in the same court. [0] - https://en.wik…

SpaceX _pretends_ it can lift 63 tons.

In practice, their payloads have been a few tons at best. Whereas Ariane's track record with Ariane 5 is almost flawless and actually hitting those announced maximums.

But sure, trust the company that has regularly been lying on their abilities :)

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

P-ala-din wrote: post #111
realusername wrote: post #58

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> (the reason was not always disclosed, but some recruiters did explicitly tell her that it was because of her Hijab). Which is different from the UK and other European countries from what I have been told. That's because the French culture does not work on the same basis as the UK and northern european countries. The french society strongly goes towards integration and not multiculturalism. It has a lot of deep cons…

The underlying assumption is if you wear a hijab, you're not integrated. I honestly feel like this is just religious discrimation with extra steps.

But then your underlying assumption is that religion isn’t part of cultural integration. Why is religion separate from culture? I would say it’s a subset of culture.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by Seb-C »

maxmouchet wrote: post #69

We often hear stories on how hard it is to start a business in France. As a French, I'd like to hear how easy it is in other countries (UK, US?). For example, what are the costs, the amount of paperwork...

Did that in Japan (I'm talking about the sole proprietorship and already have a working visa here, so it's not exactly the same situation).

Well, actually I didn't do anything because you literally have nothing to do. You just have the right to do some business on your own (but of course there are official companies of you want to get bigger).

Just when you start getting money, you have to inform the tax office, so they can give you the form next year.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by yodsanklai »

non-entity wrote: post #119
yodsanklai wrote: post #118

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> The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd. Whenever topics on France arise on HN, it's amusing to see many opinionated/politically biased comments from French people. I personally have no idea on how France compare with other countries as far as startup creation go, but I'd take with a pinch of salt any comments making very strong claims.

You're amused to see French people have strong opinions on their own nations' politics?

Being French, I'm amused to see on HN the same stereotyped arguments and exaggerations we hear over and over in the local left/right debate.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by Juliate »

belzebalex wrote: post #114
ohgodplsno wrote: post #103

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>Seems like you know more about the legal code than I do. Unfortunately, legal battles with employers tend to cause that :) > France's leadership in technology is still poor though This is the root cause. It's not that France is bad technology wise. It's not that France lacks entrepreneurs. It's not that there's rules and laws. We literally have some of the best engineers in the world. Ask SF companies how happy they…

Completely agree with all you said. Although, I am friend with lots of people who are starting careers in politics, and they're all coming from Business School or Sciences Po. None of them knows about the fundamentals of nature and technology and I have no hope that they will be better than the current leaders we have :/

Well, if they are going straight into politics, they likely don't know fundamentals in business either (you don't learn those in schools).

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by Juliate »

non-entity wrote: post #119
yodsanklai wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd. Whenever topics on France arise on HN, it's amusing to see many opinionated/politically biased comments from French people. I personally have no idea on how France compare with other countries as far as startup creation go, but I'd take with a pinch of salt any comments making very strong claims.

You're amused to see French people have strong opinions on their own nations' politics?

Well, we're not French for nothing. :p

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by balfirevic »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #121
balfirevic wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Arianespace and SpaceX are not even playing in the same court. Ariane 6 is made for heavy payloads, SpaceX can barely lift medium weight satellites. Ariane 6, which isn't even flying yet, is projected to lift 10350 kg - 21650 kg to LEO, depending on the version [0]. Falcon Heavy can lift 63800 kg to LEO in expendable mode [1]. You were indeed correct that they are not playing in the same court. [0] - https://en.wik…

SpaceX _pretends_ it can lift 63 tons. In practice, their payloads have been a few tons at best. Whereas Ariane's track record with Ariane 5 is almost flawless and actually hitting those announced maximums. But sure, trust the company that has regularly been lying on their abilities :)

> SpaceX _pretends_ it can lift 63 tons

You can't be fucking serious.

Falcon Heavy launched 6465 kg satellite to GTO, while landing all 3 boosters.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by jcelerier »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #100
nerbert wrote: post #93

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It’s very common for French people to negate the advantages of the system they live in. France makes it easy to start a company and find seed investment. Paperwork became very limited over the years. People who describe France as startup hostile country live in the past (15-20 years ago)

So, let's say you're bootstrapping a new business and earning 1500€/month as a solo operator with no employees. How much does the overhead of the endeavor cost you? The costs are minimal in every country I've worked in so far, but I know it's different in others. Would you at least be able to get started for under 500€ and live off of your income in France as long as you lived in a low cost area and didn't have famil…

> So, let's say you're bootstrapping a new business and earning 1500€/month as a solo operator with no employees. How much does the overhead of the endeavor cost you?

If you are earning 1500€ per month you can just be a "micro-company" (this works up to 75k€ per year of gross income). You'll get taxed roughly 25% on that income, and have a fixed fee depending on the city you live - for me it's around 400€ / year for instance. Everything is done by internet, the only thing you have to do is report every month on the state website how much you earned last month, which takes roughly 30 seconds if you have proper accounting.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by jcelerier »

belzebalex wrote: post #9
Uberphallus wrote: post #3

Honestly, this reads as those books titled "How to make money selling books on Amazon". Living in France, I can tell, France is very startup hostile. The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd. The only way a small tech company can make any money and be sustainable (let alone grow) is having all employees as associates (with all the organization…

Yeah, as a French I can only completely agree. The amount of paperwork is just absurd. For instance, when you create a company, you have to pay a separate fee (~200eur) to a private "official journal" to publish the fact that you're creating a company. That's just plain racket, and that kind of things is everywhere. France is dying, because France can't have a private sector because of its regulations. The fun part i…

> Yeah, as a French I can only completely agree. The amount of paperwork is just absurd. For instance, when you create a company, you have to pay a separate fee (~200eur) to a private "official journal" to publish the fact that you're creating a company. That's just plain racket, and that kind of things is everywhere.

this is entirely false, it does not cost a cent to get something published to the JO / create a micro-entreprise. source: have one. The only paperwork required is filling a couple internet forms + reporting how much you earned every month, again by internet.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Post by ohgodplsno »

balfirevic wrote: post #127
ohgodplsno wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX _pretends_ it can lift 63 tons. In practice, their payloads have been a few tons at best. Whereas Ariane's track record with Ariane 5 is almost flawless and actually hitting those announced maximums. But sure, trust the company that has regularly been lying on their abilities :)

> SpaceX _pretends_ it can lift 63 tons You can't be fucking serious. Falcon Heavy launched 6465 kg satellite to GTO, while landing all 3 boosters.

Yeah. 6400kg. 6.4 tons. Not 63. Nor the 26 they pretend they can do on GTO
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