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Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Obesity is an external cost that just doesn't get accounted for in a free market. So far, regulation is a blunt tool, but still a lot more effective than other tools we have to deal with this. For instance, in Indonesia, it's common for Big Tobacco to sell cheap cigarettes near schools [1]. This is insane, but from a purely free market perspective it makes perfect sense. Get your product in peoples hands as early as…

Costs are only borne by the taxpayer where the taxpayer pays for healthcare, but that's a choice as well. We could just as easily say that the taxpayer won't be responsible for the cost. We've chosen to have the taxpayer bear the cost, which is very probably good and right, but I think we should be careful using that fact to make decisions about other people's body's. I think this can be distinguished from other exte…

> We could just as easily say that the taxpayer won't be responsible for the cost.

I thought Covid made it obvious that there is no insular, zero-externality health of individuals. Public health is a public commons, and we will be responsible for the cost whether through taxes and preventive action or through other channels in a reactive manner.

Being obese has tons of externalities other than healthcare costs. Higher levels of sickness and absence from work reduces productivity, being out of employment due to disability completely demolishes it. Premature mortality means the national output is reduced because we are losing the societal investment on grown, skilled, experienced adults to death. Some businesses bear higher operating costs; e.g. larger seats or more fuel for aircrafts. Deteriorating mental health is not only a healthcare cost, you and your kids interact with people daily, you make collective decisions (e.g. vote in elections) with them. In short, wellbeing of your fellow humans is never a zero-externality phenomenon and it can't really be distinguished from smoking or pollution because you can't opt out of the consequences of a lower GDP or mentally unwell peers.

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Covid shows that governments who fail to encourage nutritious diets will end up with higher healthcare costs.

It’s not just encourage. What we’re finding is that the government has to be authoritarian. China welded people into their homes to keep them from spreading COVID. They literally caged them like animals and threw them into trucks. Now Mexico is denying children potato chips. Think about universal healthcare and alcohol. How much money is spent on alcohol related issues? The best answer is to ban its sale. Same for to…

Or... how about we provide treatment for people who are abusing alcohol, drugs, etc? There are billions of people who can responsibly use alcohol. Banning it doesn't make any sense for those who aren't addicts.

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I'm not sure if you're missing the point intentionally or unintentionally but while those chemicals sometimes can cause health problems later in life but the sugar is what's causing the calories that are causing the obesity that is causing the health problems we want to mitigate. The sugar is the problem and both the pastries have the same sugar. The homemade one may be marginally better but it's a distinction withou…

No, it is actually both things. The sugar causes people to eat the stuff and does contribute to obesity, but sugar is only a contributer. The additives and ingredients like vegetable oils (which cause health problems of their own due to their chemical structure) also contain a lot of calories (fat contains more calories per gram than sugar). In Australia obesity increased while sugar consumption decreased. The additi…

>ingredients like vegetable oils (which cause health problems of their own due to their chemical structure) also contain a lot of calories (fat contains more calories per gram than sugar).

Which are present in home cooked baked goods too.

I know it's not as simple as just "sugar=fat" but the difference between home cooked junk food and industrially cooked junk food is vanishingly small.

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Where are the parents?

Caving to marketing designed to make children nag their parents.

It's a parenting issue then, because saying 'no' to a nagging child is basic parenting, always has been.

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Meat has been a global climate catastrophe wrapped in a corn tortilla. The production of meat is literally killing us, and I'm sorry but its worth taking away traditional cuisines so that humanity doesn't go extinct.

This is absurd. Humanity isn't going to go extinct from climate change, and the causes of climate change are fossil fuels and how they allow us to support a large population. If everyone stopped eating meat you'd still have tons of unhealthy people and you'd still have climate change.

>Humanity isn't going to go extinct from climate change

Seems like the most likely way right now.

>Causes of climate change are fossil fuels

Yes, and fossil fuels are used in livestock production.

Through use of petrochemicals to produce feed and deforestation. 18% of GHG emissions are estimated to be from livestock and dairy production.

This article covers a lot of the usage: http://www.docbrownscience.com/uploads/4/8/7/2/4872895/food_....

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No, sorry. Cows and other ruminants have been part of the ecosystem for tens of millions of years. They're extremely good for the soil and for the environment and it turns out humans are highly evolved to eat meat. We invented fire and hunting tools for it hundreds of thousands of years ago. It's one of the most nutrient dense and healthy foods you can consume as long as you don't add a bunch of crap to it. Humanity…

I think the solution is somewhere in between. There is a lot more cows today than there was 200 years ago. The negatives get compounded with CO2 and methane being released, plus the water and energy used to make beef over other meats or sources of protein is much higher. Though yes we did evolve to eat some meat. But the average American eats a lot of red meat and the average American has a less than healthy choleste…

Cholesterol levels are utterly irrelevant in predicting 10 year mortality rate. Oxidized LDL and CAC score are the metrics to optimize for and indicate whether your lifestyle is successful.

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This law is way way way overdue. American Corporations are killing Mexico's youth with junk food. I know kids who exclusively drink soda. Healthy, beautiful kids who deserve to go out and play and live their best lives.

> I know kids who exclusively drink soda.

Their parents probably do too.

Also worth noting, there are places in Mexico where it's easier and cheaper to get a bottle of Coca-Cola than one of potable water. [1]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/14/world/americas/mexico-coc...

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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This is a good idea, and the people in the comments are rightly pointing out sugar's problems. But just as problematic as sugar are vegetable oils which are in almost every packaged product you can buy at the grocery store. They cause all sorts of health problems because the vegetable oils are extremely reactive (due to being unsaturated fats and so having double bonds that can react with other molecules inside your…

It's a great idea in in theory, in practice I'm highly skeptical it will do anything but give police a new way to extract fines (bribes) from shopkeepers.

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Mexico is known for disregarding laws on alcohol sales to minors..what exactly do they expect the outcome of this to be? Just another way for the police to steal money from the poor. Great job.

"People disgard laws. Whats the point of laws? Laws are for police making money."

The problem is the law enforcement, not the laws.

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It's a tough situation. Much of the idea behind agriculture subsides is to protect against black-swan events.

Doesn't crop insurance exist? Why the need to constantly subsidize?

You can't eat insurance money.

We are lucky to live in a age of a dramatic global decline in famine, but a large scale war or natural disaster could potentially unravel this progress in a devastating way.

Subsidies can do preventative tasks that insurance cannot -- like securing additional capacity of food stores and farm land that farmers wouldn't normally do unless they were being paid to do so.

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