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Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by tomduncalf »

"The Featured Snippet also incorporated images of the celebrity scraped from the web to create a widget that took up 40% of a desktop result page and 80% of a mobile result page. This is still how Google displays most net worth results today"

FWIW I tried "larry david net worth" and "craig david net worth" on Google from the UK and didn't get this result - Larry David was a snippet from Wikipedia, clearly attributed, and Craig David was from CNW, again clearly attributed - basically an oversize search result with the relevant bit highlighted. Not sure if this is a recent change in response to this or not

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by throwaway2048 »

hluska wrote: post #119
teddyh wrote: post #41

The primary case here made against Google might be questionable behavior from Google, but might not be illegal, since simple numbers like a dollar amount can’t be copyrighted, and AFAIK there is no other legal impediment to Google doing what they did (IANAL). What looks far more inculpatory to me is this, on the last page: […] Because it controls essentially the entire internet, Google has endless levers at its dispo…

> This is far more damning of Google abusing its monopoly, not only on search, but also on the Android platform. No, it’s really not. I just visited celebritynetworth.com. One article took 462 http requests, loaded 9mb of content and though DOM content loaded in 434ms, it took 1 minute to finish loading everything. The sheer amount of adware on this site is staggering. Let’s put down the pitchforks and put on our cri…

So they deserve to have their content hijacked (unattributed) by Google?

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by throwaway2048 »

PedroBatista wrote: post #77
teddyh wrote: post #41

The primary case here made against Google might be questionable behavior from Google, but might not be illegal, since simple numbers like a dollar amount can’t be copyrighted, and AFAIK there is no other legal impediment to Google doing what they did (IANAL). What looks far more inculpatory to me is this, on the last page: […] Because it controls essentially the entire internet, Google has endless levers at its dispo…

The "it's not illegal" game is what every dominant company or powerful mobster wants you to play. Because it's their game and they spend a great deal of money to ensure they always win.

Also a great deal of money to shape what's legal.

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by tester34 »

techntoke wrote: post #118
EdwardDiego wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta say, I preferred Google v1.0. The subsequent patches suck.

Android, Chromium and Kubernetes have come a long way. Plus there are a lot of other major open source projects that come out of Google. Way more than Microsoft, Apple and Amazon.

>Plus there are a lot of other major open source projects that come out of Google. Way more than Microsoft, Apple and Amazon.

Is it even true? MS does a lot of open source

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by Craighead »

WalterGR wrote: post #113

Google is incredibly shady. There’s been a manual penalty in place against my website The Online Slang Dictionary ( http://onlineslangdictionary.com ) for the better part of a decade. I know this because the data suggested it - and then a Google employee confirmed it. It would be easy to explain it away because Aaron Peckham, owner of Urban Dictionary, worked at Google when Matt Cutts was head of the Web Spam team, a…

Furtive fallacy in action

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by cik2e »

hluska wrote: post #119
teddyh wrote: post #41

The primary case here made against Google might be questionable behavior from Google, but might not be illegal, since simple numbers like a dollar amount can’t be copyrighted, and AFAIK there is no other legal impediment to Google doing what they did (IANAL). What looks far more inculpatory to me is this, on the last page: […] Because it controls essentially the entire internet, Google has endless levers at its dispo…

> This is far more damning of Google abusing its monopoly, not only on search, but also on the Android platform. No, it’s really not. I just visited celebritynetworth.com. One article took 462 http requests, loaded 9mb of content and though DOM content loaded in 434ms, it took 1 minute to finish loading everything. The sheer amount of adware on this site is staggering. Let’s put down the pitchforks and put on our cri…

You’ve totally glossed over the fact that there was an additional slide in the rankings after the site owner went public with this story. And what about the app being banned from the App Store?

Why would someone go through the trouble of compiling extensive research for free? Ads pay for things that people want but are unwilling to actually spend dollars on. That’s the state of things, whether we like it or not. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by someperson »

WalterGR wrote: post #113

Google is incredibly shady. There’s been a manual penalty in place against my website The Online Slang Dictionary ( http://onlineslangdictionary.com ) for the better part of a decade. I know this because the data suggested it - and then a Google employee confirmed it. It would be easy to explain it away because Aaron Peckham, owner of Urban Dictionary, worked at Google when Matt Cutts was head of the Web Spam team, a…

> Due to the time suck of fighting Google's penalty, this site is not yet served via SSL

You probably should get onto enabling SSL/TLS as soon as possible. It supposedly effects search engine ranking.

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by teddyh »

philprx wrote: post #52
teddyh wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You keep calling it “theft”. It is obviously not literally theft, since no physical object has been taken. The only thing you could possibly mean is “copyright infringement” (which is commonly called theft in imprecise and inflammatory language), but copyright does not apply to a simple fact like a dollar amount, no matter how much research lies behind it. You might be of the opinion that it should , but that is a di…

Ok, sorry sir ;-) Copyright infringement. What's the difference really here? IANAL means this precisely (and on a side note, I'm here for open exchange and debate, not for claiming to be right ;-) Interestingly, depending on jurisdictions, there are places on the globe (EU, FR) where I think the terminology is theft not copyright infringement ("theft of database"), even if it does not apply to this US National disput…

> Copyright infringement. What's the difference really here?

Upthread, the user “errantmind” asked you to provide your legal basis for it being “theft”. It’s obviously not legally speaking theft, since no physical object has been taken. But let’s be a bit charitable and assume that you meant “copyright infringement” instead. However, you have not made the case for it being copyright infringement either, since Google’s copying (which you do describe in detail) did not, AFAIK, infringe copyright (at least in the US, which is where the investigation referred to in the document is being held).

If you want to argue that what Google did is illegal, then please specify what actual law was broken.

On the other hand, if you instead want to argue that what Google did should be illegal, then please, go ahead and present your case, but this was not the original topic.

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by techntoke »

tester34 wrote: post #124
techntoke wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android, Chromium and Kubernetes have come a long way. Plus there are a lot of other major open source projects that come out of Google. Way more than Microsoft, Apple and Amazon.

>Plus there are a lot of other major open source projects that come out of Google. Way more than Microsoft, Apple and Amazon. Is it even true? MS does a lot of open source

Yes if you compare the code base size and the core components. Microsoft still hasn't open sourced it's main consumer operating system and neither has Apple.

Re: Statement on Google’s conduct by founder of CelebrityNetWorth.com (2019) [pdf]

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Post by WalterGR »

someperson wrote: post #127
WalterGR wrote: post #113

Google is incredibly shady. There’s been a manual penalty in place against my website The Online Slang Dictionary ( http://onlineslangdictionary.com ) for the better part of a decade. I know this because the data suggested it - and then a Google employee confirmed it. It would be easy to explain it away because Aaron Peckham, owner of Urban Dictionary, worked at Google when Matt Cutts was head of the Web Spam team, a…

> Due to the time suck of fighting Google's penalty, this site is not yet served via SSL You probably should get onto enabling SSL/TLS as soon as possible. It supposedly effects search engine ranking.

Very true. Due to the penalty, the site gets less and less traffic every year. Enabling SSL/TLS might help a bit, but I have to face facts: the site is dead.
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