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Re: Wiki.js

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Post by pdfernhout »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #101
greggman3 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran my own personal wiki in like 2004 - 2008. I'm not sure too cumbersome is the word I'd use. I just never found it that useful. Today though Google Docs, Keep, Notes, Github Gists, github itself, and many other places I can easily store notes and access from anywhere. No reason to setup a wiki and have to maintain it myself.

For me, the problem after 10+ years is how disjointed all of the data becomes and how much data you generate across the web. I have stuff that means something to me scattered across every service and every account. When you start to plan how to move all of your stuff under one umbrella, the solution starts to sound a lot more like a wiki on paper, I think. Even if you move all this stuff to your filesystem, I think y…

I know what you mean. I've made comments over the years to Slashdot, Soylent News, HackerNews, Disqus, WordPress blogs, Wikis, various other special sites, and so on and would like to see that all together and be archived -- especially when sites disappear. It's sad that people made all these centralized web services (often to make money by getting between people and their data) and thus displaced a lot of email instead of people making email better. There is a lot to be said for a local email system like Thunderbird as a knowledge base that goes back for decades. That is true even if email tools could be better if they were more generalized or if they had easier ways to publish stuff from email to the web and ingest stuff from the web back into to the local system. Some related ideas by me from 2015 which I am still working towards on-and-off in my spare time: https://pdfernhout.net/thunderbirds-are-grow-manifesto.html

My latest experiment (in Mithril/HyperScript/Tachyons/Node.js) integrates a file browser, markdown viewer and editor, and email viewer (although it is all still very rough): https://github.com/pdfernhout/Twirlip15

But ultimately what we probably need more than tools are simple and popular standards for encoding information that can be linked together. Email (in MIME format) is one such standard but it is fairly complex. Maybe a JSON schema or RDF schema for linked information might help with that. Or something like tags or RDF triples embedded in Markdown -- something I started playing with in Twirlip15 (inspired in part by Foam).

Code for a foam-like "Ideas" app using markdown, triple parsing, and Cytoscape: https://github.com/pdfernhout/Twirlip15/blob/aa75ed1be5dc4a7...

And one example file: https://github.com/pdfernhout/Twirlip15/blob/792b067c30c7846...

Re: Wiki.js

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Post by jjice »

techaddict009 wrote: post #70

Can I know what exactly this numbers are "15M+ Installations" On your home page. I mean thats too large number. Is this of all open source software or I am misunderstanding something else?

I'm assuming that's for every single download, including testing. I know that when I use a service for the first time, I do a few installs while getting used to the software and its configuration. I'd assume they'd have no other way to verify installs (assuming there is no telemetry).

Re: Wiki.js

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Post by fungos »

mekster wrote: post #104
gary-kim wrote: post #73

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At least for me, the fact that it is purely licensed under the AGPL and that the copyright is owned by multiple people makes me far more comfortable with using it. It's a guarantee that the project will remain open source so I don't have to worry about suddenly being in a situation where I have to migrate away because the company or person decided that they don't want to have this be free and open source software any…

> It's a guarantee that the project will remain open source What are you talking about? They can change the license to a closed one from a certain version in the future.

For future versions, not past versions.

Re: Wiki.js

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Post by kemayo »

buovjaga wrote: post #33
Keyframe wrote: post #21

I need one function in a wiki platform that I haven't seen so far. When I write text, in its WYSIWYG editor, I need an ability to paste in an image (a screenshot that I just grabbed, let's say) and for it to automatically upload it and embed it into text. Does this support something like that?

MediaWiki VisualEditor supports it: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:VisualEditor/User_guide#... "You can upload images from a tab in the media dialog, or by dragging and dropping a file into the editor, or by pasting an image from your clipboard. [...] The image will be inserted into the page when you are done."

Now, it is fair to complain that VisualEditor is difficult to get running on your own local Mediawiki instance, as it requires the suite of local node.js microservers (RestBase and Parsoid) that aren't part of the core PHP platform.

That said, this is about to change! The upcoming Mediawiki 1.35 is supposed to move Parsoid into core PHP, and so VisualEditor is going to become a lot more default-accessible. :D

Re: Wiki.js

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Post by fungos »

oneplane wrote: post #94
normalnorm wrote: post #29

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> As it is right now it's dead in the water for any commercial usage So what? If companies need a certain software, they can pay for it. I remember a time when FOSS was not about providing companies with free work, quite the opposite indeed.

It is presented as being enterprise-ish, for organisations (of which a lot are commercial) and presents features usually useful for large companies. That's what. This isn't about good/bad or something like that, just an odd presentation that doesn't seem to be in line with the license. There is nobody to pay here to use this stuff because you still won't be able to integrate it without also sharing internal IP. There…

These company make changes to Atlassian code? You're conflating internal or public use with derivative work or service offering. You clearly misunderstand licensing.

Re: Wiki.js

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Post by pastage »

indigochill wrote: post #80
hombre_fatal wrote: post #40

Slightly related PSA: Everyone should consider running a wiki locally just for yourself. It's like being able to organize your brain. I just got into it two days ago and basically spent the whole weekend dumping things into it in a way I can actually browse and revisit, like the short stories I'd written, spread out across Notes.app and random folders. You don't need to run WAMP, MySQL, Apache, phpmyadmin or anything…

I'm getting back into the Zettelkasten note-taking technique which is like a tech-agnostic wiki system (it was originally implemented using physical cards). I originally tried a personal wiki but it was just more tech overhead than I cared to deal with. Plain markdown files with zettelkasten are doing it for me now. Zettlr adds some nice features like adding an easy ability to tag files (just hashtags in the markdown…

I've been running wikis the last 20 years, but I too use static files for note taking, a wiki is not for everything IMHO. Zettelkasten just feel like a low tech wiki to me. Is it really that great or is it just the simplicity that makes you a convert?

Re: Wiki.js

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Post by kemayo »

omegote wrote: post #46
schoolornot wrote: post #17

This is exciting. A compelling FOSS alternative to Atlassian Confluence was sorely needed. Mediawiki has some UX and RBAC challenges that makes it difficult to scale to large organizations.

"Some"? The fact that you have to manually access the database backend in order to change a password is a joke, among many.

There's a bunch of ways which don't involve manual database access? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Resetting_passwords

Re: Wiki.js

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Post by kemayo »

Mandatum wrote: post #47
hombre_fatal wrote: post #40

Slightly related PSA: Everyone should consider running a wiki locally just for yourself. It's like being able to organize your brain. I just got into it two days ago and basically spent the whole weekend dumping things into it in a way I can actually browse and revisit, like the short stories I'd written, spread out across Notes.app and random folders. You don't need to run WAMP, MySQL, Apache, phpmyadmin or anything…

I've been using Obsidian for note taking recently, and as much as I really enjoy it - having hypermedia would be quite useful too. I can paste images in Obsidian, but it tends to put the pasted image in the root folder, and I can't display it inline with my notes. EDIT: VisualEditor, the de facto standard for pasting things like screenshots into your articles seems to be a pain to install. Got my local env up and run…

I mentioned it elsewhere[1], but conveniently VisualEditor should be getting easier to install in an upcoming Mediawiki release (probably 1.35, which is coming next), because of a bunch of parser centralization work. Fingers crossed, but the hassle that you just went through shouldn't be needed soon.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23907291

Re: Wiki.js

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Post by e2021 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #72
hn_check wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the problem with a good percentage of advice and life/career hacks on HN -- they're always spoken of in the early, idealist stage. Before the reality has set in. Before the downsides have made their presence known. I've been in a number of firms with wiki knowledge systems. In 100% of the cases it was a wasteland of derelict knowledge that had been abandoned and was usually much more destructive than benefici…

I don't really understand your take-away except for a cynical "bah, nothing ever works so don't try." Or maybe it annoys you that you didn't see some trite platitudinal disclaimer in my post about how how life is all about trade-offs and what works for Bob might work for Alice. It's like you're about to tell me that exercising doesn't pay off because it's hard to stick with a strategy. "Heh, let's see if he's still d…

The point isn’t to be cynical and say nothing works, it’s to look at what works over the long term (at least >2 years).

The only thing I’ve ever heard of working on this time scale is plain text files. Maybe with some tool over the top to make it easier to manage than just with an editor, but in the end just plain text.

Re: Wiki.js

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Post by 2rF7OoC47 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #40

Slightly related PSA: Everyone should consider running a wiki locally just for yourself. It's like being able to organize your brain. I just got into it two days ago and basically spent the whole weekend dumping things into it in a way I can actually browse and revisit, like the short stories I'd written, spread out across Notes.app and random folders. You don't need to run WAMP, MySQL, Apache, phpmyadmin or anything…

I've been using https://www.zettlr.com/ for a while and can't live without it.

I created a mashup of Zettelkasten + bullet journaling + a linking system based on tagging and IDs that models the fact that knowledge is both hierarchical and associative - i.e. fractal.

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