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Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by jmkb »

bartread wrote: post #43
stevehawk wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

appropriated name?

Yes: the concept of browsing the web with your privacy preserved has literally zero to do with the concept of bravery. The name is clearly a statement but not one that's ever made any sense to me.

Brave bought the brave.com domain from the band Brave Combo, whose homepage was listed as http://brave.com/bo since the early days of the web. Last year I was pleased to see that they kept a redirect in place from https://brave.com/bo to band's new site https://bravecombo.com but it appears they've discontinued that courtesy. Too bad.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

kristianc wrote: post #114
esperent wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently the main reason Chrome has the name is that the dev team leads like fast cars and that was the initial project code name. The reference to "UI Chrome" was largely an accident. https://www.thewindowsclub.com/google-chrome-reason-revealed...

And doesn’t actually make much sense, as Chrome when it was released made a point of having vastly less ‘chrome’ than the incumbent IE.

But it was a thin "chrome" over webkit (well, at the time...)

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by rsynnott »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #67

This is a bug, have you guys seen a software bug before? What is it with the appetite for outrage? Using brave on Android devices and not planning to switch

If a company's selling point is 'privacy', it is perhaps unsurprising that they're criticised when they repeatedly turn out to be quite bad at it.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by eredengrin »

kirubakaran wrote: post #92

They are an adtech company. That should be all we need to know, right? I'm willing to change my mind, so far it doesn't make sense to use Brave.

> That should be all we need to know, right?

Not really, their whole proposition is to do ads in a privacy respecting way, and you always have the option to just turn them off entirely. The payments model they have for websites is my favorite thing about the browser and I'd love to see more models like it catch on. Giving the ability to easily fund content creators by just filling up your wallet periodically (without having to view ads if you don't want) is a great idea. Perhaps the execution leaves something to be desired, but I wish people would at least discuss the important ideas it brings rather than simply dismiss it as an evil browser and recommend Firefox + ublock origin (which, while a good temporary solution, is ultimately just kicking the can down the road and doesn't do a whole lot to solve the root issues).

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by jefftk »

mapgrep wrote: post #94
bartread wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes: the concept of browsing the web with your privacy preserved has literally zero to do with the concept of bravery. The name is clearly a statement but not one that's ever made any sense to me.

Doesn’t have anything to do with firefoxes or electroplated chromium either. Shrug.

Pedantic historical browser etymology note: Firefox began as Phoenix, because it was metaphorically rising from the ashes of Netscape. For trademark reasons, they changed it to Firebird. Then they learned that there was already an open source DB using that name, so they picked Firefox.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by rattray »

bartread wrote: post #17
girst wrote: post #4

well, compared to undisclosed affiliate marketing for trading sites[1], soliciting of donations without consent[2] or the recent redirection through affiliate links[3], this seems pretty tame. [1]: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/8793 [2]: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2019/01/13/brave-web-br... [3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23442027

I've disliked Brave from the beginning. Initially because of the pretentious - and frankly appropriated - name, but now for the much more substantive reasons you've cited. Seriously, if you want a browser that gives you control over your data and privacy, use Firefox. It doesn't do any of this shady nonsense.

How can I get these two features on Firefox:

1. Block scripts on certain domains

2. Block ads & tracking (including on Android)

Those are my favorite Brave features. How do I get them on Firefox?

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by smt88 »

pschastain wrote: post #82

Brave Browser continues to behave in ways that are contrary to their stated principles. I dropped the browser a couple of months ago on the heels of the bitcoin affiliate link scandal and went back to Safari and Firefox. I am keeping an eye on Braver Browser, a fork of Brave with the intention of removing the questionable behavior: https://github.com/braver-browser

What's the advantage of Braver over Firefox? Is it just that you're trying to get ad blocking on iOS?

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by john-shaffer »

eredengrin wrote: post #124
kirubakaran wrote: post #92

They are an adtech company. That should be all we need to know, right? I'm willing to change my mind, so far it doesn't make sense to use Brave.

> That should be all we need to know, right? Not really, their whole proposition is to do ads in a privacy respecting way, and you always have the option to just turn them off entirely. The payments model they have for websites is my favorite thing about the browser and I'd love to see more models like it catch on. Giving the ability to easily fund content creators by just filling up your wallet periodically (without…

> you always have the option to just turn them off entirely

This is not fully accurate. You have to explicitly find and enable ads if you want them. They are off by default.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by admax88q »

anonymousDan wrote: post #84
AzzieElbab wrote: post #67

This is a bug, have you guys seen a software bug before? What is it with the appetite for outrage? Using brave on Android devices and not planning to switch

Ya I find the outright hatred for Brave on HN a bit bizarre. The more sustainable alternatives we have to Google Chrome hegemony the better IMHO. I say this as both a FF and Brave user.

I find HN has a bias against anything that hurts advertising and user tracking revenue. AMP and Brave seem to get a disproportionate amount of attention.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by niftylettuce »

Batman8675309 wrote: post #105
niftylettuce wrote: post #3

If you need an alternative to Brave, then see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23708688 . This comment also shares the auto-suggestions-for-profit which is another reason I'm not using it. Since I cannot use DDG nor Brave, the only alternative (besides the currently bloated Firefox -- in my biased opinion) is ungoogled-chromium.

Yeah, using software you have to build yourself is a much better alternative. Especially when it's not available for Android at all..

Yes it is
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