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The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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Pretty sure the fund I work for moved several billion dollars for free on Friday...and will do the same thing again this Friday, the Friday after that, and the Friday after that.

Cryptocurrency's obsession with fees is baffling. Fees are not why moving money is hard.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

#122

For all of the talk about how Bitcoin is not truly anonymous, this wallet demonstrates otherwise, with the apparent 'anonymity proviso' being that you don't do too much with it, and just let the coins sit.

We're having a discussion on HN about a specific person moving a specific amount of money around. That by itself is basically the opposite of privacy.

Ansil849 already said this, but when talking about things like this there are actually multiple related, sometimes orthogonal, factors:

Anonymity - the quality of the user being unknown

Privacy - the quality of the user's actions being unobserved

Authenticity- the quality of the user's actions being certainly the user's

Bitcoin provides pseudonymous transactions, which may approach anonymity if the user is careful. It does not provide true privacy as all transactions are public. But the purpose of the transactions is not communicated, though may be inferred if the parties are identified. If I transfer $20 in BTC to a pizza joint, you can guess that I bought a pizza, but it's just a (well-founded) guess. It provides a high degree of authenticity in that it is a hard problem (in the mathematical sense, unless your keys have been obtained by an adversary) to fake a transaction.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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What about the Government taxes, 1 Billon no matter that will pay a jucy tax slice.

Where are you that has a transaction tax on account transfers? Not the US certainly, and not anywhere in the EU.

Who give away a 1Billon? Tipically a 1 Billon transaction is raised as a red flag into the tax system, and trigger an investigation with the label "i do not believe this is a gift, must be a comercial transaction, why it is not paying taxes?"

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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Bitcoin is pseudonymous. Every member can be uniquely identified but if you are careful not to link your pseudonym (e.g. wallet address) to any personally identifiable information, nobody else can. But this is really hard when it is about money since in general you'd want to spend that money an that's where the link appears. As long as you don't spend the money, there is no information to link.

There are ways around this problem. See: https://local bitcoins.com Doesn't completely de-anonymize you but it does reduce the set of people who have uniquely identifiable information to 1

Monero

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

#126

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not with a multi-signature address acting as escrow. 2013 called and wants its arguments back

In that case you still have to trust the escrow service.

Trust minimization instead of maximally trusting RBC with all of your money but also the counterparty to deliver.

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Probably just twice. Bitcoin addresses are check summed so it's nearly impossible to fat finger a mistake.

And yet it happens - as does putting the value in the "fee" box!

Bitcoin Core specifically won't let you make transactions with "absurd" fee rates.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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For all of the talk about how Bitcoin is not truly anonymous, this wallet demonstrates otherwise, with the apparent 'anonymity proviso' being that you don't do too much with it, and just let the coins sit.

That's the whole idea behind the blockchain. Everything is recorded in ledgers

Most of the genuine use-cases would do much better with privacy, it goes hand-in-hand with payments that traditional finance may try to censor.

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I don't know, is it that different from being able to send an encrypted message, or lock something securely in a safe?

Is there a difference between expressing moral support for a terrorist organization and sending them $1 million? I was never very compelled with the "money = speech" argument when taken particularly literally.

I didn't mean specifically that money = speech. I mean there are some things we agree should be private even if that means making them less accountable.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

#130

How many times would you double check the address before hitting send? I would think to minimize risk, would slice this up into a few transactions...

I've been party to large Bitcoin transactions (100M USD or so). It had a team of people involved, each responsible for independently verifying the transaction before it was signed for correctness. It's hard to make mistakes if you have a group of engineers who are all tasked with ensuring the validity of a transaction with their own tools.

The fun bit is that the signer can backdoor transactions, and that part isn't something that can be verified by anybody who doesn't have the private keys.

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