Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development • Hacker News Board

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by MattGaiser » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:18 PM UTC

edw wrote: post #109

MattGaiser wrote: post #91

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There is poo on every surface. The key question is the amount of poo relative to the other stuff.

Here’s another question: Would any of our lives be any worse — or would they be better? — if we simply chose to walk away and not be a part of any of these platforms, HN included? How much of our lives is made up of karma whoring, level grinding, and falling into the " rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/386/> trap?

I do it as I would otherwise be playing video games. If I have a big project going on, I’ll ignore Reddit and Hacker News for weeks.

I also learn a lot of new stuff.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by hcal » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:19 PM UTC

foolfoolz wrote: post #87

as1mov wrote: post #76

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It's a weird issue honestly. I've been on reddit for almost a decade, and I don't like what it has become. I would love to switch to a better alternative, but the problem is any alternative that pops up seems to be filled with extremists as soon as it starts. This doesn't imply that anyone who wants to leave reddit is a neo-nazi, a lot of us are stuck with reddit because everything else is filled with shit.

there’s extremists on every platform

I think the problem is that because reddit banned a lot of extremist communities there is pent up demand within those groups for a new host platform. If you start a new reddit competitor, users with those extemist views are looking for a home and will be the first to find and adopt it.

A large well formed community can survive a portion of its users with negative comments and posts, but I doubt you can build a community on the back of those users. Instead that negative group poisons the the platform for a more mainstream crowd. People won't join a plateform if the first thing they are exposed to supports extremist views.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by commandlinefan » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:20 PM UTC

as1mov wrote: post #76

MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

It's a weird issue honestly. I've been on reddit for almost a decade, and I don't like what it has become. I would love to switch to a better alternative, but the problem is any alternative that pops up seems to be filled with extremists as soon as it starts. This doesn't imply that anyone who wants to leave reddit is a neo-nazi, a lot of us are stuck with reddit because everything else is filled with shit.

> I would love to switch to a better alternative

I would love to switch to Reddit from 2008.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by _8j50 » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:20 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #79

_8j50 wrote: post #56

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All of them

It makes the spam irrelevant as you never see it, it makes it being sold irrelevant as again, you never see it. It can be stolen and nobody can tie it back to you.

This isn't 2003. Bots are litetally backed my humans that sit all day creating bit accounts. There is an industry behind bypassing simple things like this. Why cant bots register a million domains are receive a million account registration emails?

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by 29athrowaway » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:20 PM UTC

aqme28 wrote: post #118

MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

Hilarious to make that comment on HackerNews. This site is undeniably a reddit competitor, but it doesn't feel like a cesspool to me.

As someone that has probed this community on different basic morality subjects for years and gotten downvoted to the lowest possible score (-4), I can reliably say that there's a portion of the user base that hold beliefs and perspectives that are not making the world a better place and sometimes make this feel like a cesspool.

Sometimes the lack of exposure to real-world problems creates people that are completely disconnected from reality.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by nebulosa » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:23 PM UTC

seneca wrote: post #105

holidaygoose wrote: post #64

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Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

Maybe I'm naive, but it seems pretty obvious that it's because technology is mostly full of leftists, so they tolerate their own extremists and ban their opponents. Deplatforming has been a tactic of the left for a while now.

> Maybe I'm naive, but it seems pretty obvious that it's because technology is mostly full of leftists, so they tolerate their own extremists and ban their opponents. Deplatforming has been a tactic of the left for a while now.

I wouldn't say that technology is full of actual "leftists", more a group ranging from overly-myopic liberals who struggle to do what would actually benefit minority communities in a more positive sense to the libertarian types who only end up restricting what people say because it ends up affecting their advertising revenue. Simply by virtue of being in a position of financial power, it's very difficult to hold truly leftist views.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by jimbob45 » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:24 PM UTC

Afforess wrote: post #24

How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailbait, creepshots, beatingwomen, etc. The users most interested in an alternative to reddit are on average, the exact wrong type of user to help with the growth of a healthy community. I don't see any information on how being "federated" solves the hard problem…

Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits.

If those start creeping into your politics, memes, and video game subreddits, then yeah you’ve got a rough problem.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by BosunoB » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:25 PM UTC

holidaygoose wrote: post #64

MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

It's the paradox of tolerance. If you tolerate the intolerant (e.g. right-wing assholes) they will push out other groups through their intolerant behavior. The only solution is to rabidly ban hate speech and similar behavior.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by emersion » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:26 PM UTC

revnode wrote: post #12

bserge wrote: post #9

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New Reddit doesn't need sleep/delays, it's already slow as molasses heh. If not for old.reddit.com, my time on Reddit would've gone way down :/

I wish that was the only problem with the new Reddit ... it frequently crashes my browser. No other website does this.

This sounds like a browser bug tbh.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by wnevets » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 9:27 PM UTC

holidaygoose wrote: post #64

MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

or keep getting kicked off of the other platforms.

or duplicate accounts to give the illusion of larger numbers.

For example there are a lot of Reddit accounts created with in the 3 months or so very active on the same post pushing the same agenda.