Back when js frameworks became a thing, modals were a shiny ball that everyone wanted to put into their app (because they came with the framework). Designers that worked with these modals became poisoned to the fact that this is how a UI should look. Like an old hairstyle they're now thankfully going out of fashion.
We use too many damn modals (2018)
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Re: We use too many damn modals (2018)
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
TFA is not saying all modals are bad, just most. Progressive disclosure is a fine thing, but that doesn't have to mean modals. Most of the time a discreet notification that doesn't interrupt the user's flow is what's appropriate; I think Tidal does a good job here, by highlighting one feature per screen, and if I don't tap on it to see what it is I'm able to go about my way. Since we're quoting NNGroup, here's their…
TFA literally says don't use full screen modals, ever. I disagreed with examples of that not being necessarily relevant with the way today's applications can work. Important from the NNGroup article you linked even demonstrates great modal usage and states "3. Modal dialogs can be used to fragment a complex workflow into simpler steps." and "4. Use modal dialogs to ask for information that, when provided, could signi…
You're right about full screen modals, I've seen those done right and "never use x" is rarely right all of the time. And modals can be done well, but 90+% of the time I encounter them, they're not. They're not related to the workflow I'm currently engaged in, they don't save me any time, they don't serve me.
Again, I'm not saying (and I wouldn't characterize TFA as saying) modals per se are bad. But the priors are such that absent any other information, modals are suspect.
Re: We use too many damn modals (2018)
#123There are so many bad modals in mainstream desktop software. Is there any good reason that an open file dialog completely disables all other interaction? What if I quickly have to task switch, or a piece of info relating to which file i wanna open is just off screen?
A personal favourite is osx Preview and the rename and move file drawer you can get from the status bar of an open file. That guy can't even be moved, and perfectly covers up the portion of a document likely to contain info relevant to a filename.
Re: We use too many damn modals (2018)
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are truly insufferable and making incorrect assumptions. This happened once, in my current role. > This is not a common occurrence in anything but a dysfunctional org. This happens all the time in orgs all over the planet. Hiring managers and executives get new jobs and things change. Time from offer acceptance to starting work is always nonzero in big companies (measured in weeks to months in most of the fortune…
> This happens all the time in orgs all over the planet. > You are truly insufferable and making incorrect assumptions. This happened once, in my current role. > Now, please... do us both a favor and stop talking out of your ass. I'm going to be blunt here. If it's anything like this to work with you (which I don't know, only your colleagues can say), then I think you have a lot to work on: - You freely admit that yo…
This is the comment section on HN, not an office. I agree with some of your points, but I also agree with grumple that you are truly insufferable.
Re: We use too many damn modals (2018)
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This happens all the time in orgs all over the planet. > You are truly insufferable and making incorrect assumptions. This happened once, in my current role. > Now, please... do us both a favor and stop talking out of your ass. I'm going to be blunt here. If it's anything like this to work with you (which I don't know, only your colleagues can say), then I think you have a lot to work on: - You freely admit that yo…
This is the comment section on HN, not an office. I agree with some of your points, but I also agree with grumple that you are truly insufferable.
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Re: We use too many damn modals (2018)
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This happens all the time in orgs all over the planet. > You are truly insufferable and making incorrect assumptions. This happened once, in my current role. > Now, please... do us both a favor and stop talking out of your ass. I'm going to be blunt here. If it's anything like this to work with you (which I don't know, only your colleagues can say), then I think you have a lot to work on: - You freely admit that yo…
This is the comment section on HN, not an office. I agree with some of your points, but I also agree with grumple that you are truly insufferable.
> I also agree with grumple that you are truly insufferable.
Go for it!
I get paid well to do quality work by employers who appreciate the value of that. Why would I care about whether someone who is content with mediocrity finds that insufferable?
My message goes out to those who want to do quality work, who maybe aren't there quite yet, and are keeping their minds open: don't give up. Every little bit helps. Every career transition you make to a firm that has a little bit of a higher bar than the one before is a difference to be proud of, and one day, you eventually arrive at one that's fairly close to the top. Be patient, keep improving, and don't give up! You can do it!
Re: We use too many damn modals (2018)
#127Typing this from Ubuntu, Gnome 3 I think, in Firefox, I press Ctrl-S to save the page, and I get a modal dialog, which cannot be even moved. Sometimes, it actually obscures something that I cannot read on the screen. If you have to use a modal element at least allow me to get it out of the way so that I can read the text under it!
Every time this happens in any environment, the information I need for deciding the filename is below the modal.