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Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

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I love it for the purpose of building custom internal apps.

What would make it better is if:

* It’s open source, therefore installable on-prem and free from vendor lock-in.

* It has multiple swappable backends.

This thing and Bootstrap can replace a myriad of random in-house apps.

Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

#122

I didn’t see much in the way of docs from the micro site at least. I’m wondering if there is IAM integration or the ability to call Lambdas. Those would be Airtable-killer features from where I sit.

Yeah, imagine an "app store" for Lambdas that work with this, or just a trend of SaaS companies making their APIs "Honeycode-compatible".

Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

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I think the thing that "coding without code" fundamentally misses is that learning to actually write Python or Java or whatever is not the hard part of being productive in a business context. The hard part of creating useful software is that you have to understand a business process and its requirements so precisely that you can write it down for the computer to do. I work with business stakeholders creating internal…

Tools like this are great for getting 80% of the way there, which is often enough in some contexts. I look at these tools like I look at spreadsheets: you can stick a surprising amount of business logic in them, and while the thought of using them might make developers shudder, they get the job done.

If you need that extra 20%, hand the resulting project off to professionals to build an application out of it.

Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

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post #81
post #73

I think the thing that "coding without code" fundamentally misses is that learning to actually write Python or Java or whatever is not the hard part of being productive in a business context. The hard part of creating useful software is that you have to understand a business process and its requirements so precisely that you can write it down for the computer to do. I work with business stakeholders creating internal…

I think you are radically underestimating the perceived barriers to entry with programming. You sound a lot like the Linux advocates who think everyone should just memorize a bunch of commands, and get used to using shell. This type of insider view is often referred to as 'the curse of knowledge'.

> You sound a lot like the Linux advocates who think everyone should just memorize a bunch of commands, and get used to using shell.

But they should. People aren't stupid, shells aren't horrifically complicated if you try a bit and once you climb that hurdle you're suddenly a "tech genius".

Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did a lot of customer interviews. And I mean a lot. People that are good at using Excel (as in, not just create a table with data, but know how to use it, do macros, pivots, etc), if the need arrives they just move up the chain to Access/Filemaker. I would say Excel is their gateway drug to coding. Maybe now they will move to Honeycode perhaps (if the UI is ok) The ones that can't use Excel past putting =A1+A2*0.2…

Call me crazy, but with all the high-level language features in most of the commonly used languages of today, combined with the depth of rich IDE tooling for those languages, we already exist in a no-code world.

Yes and no. Maybe you have better examples of programming languages, but even Ruby/Rails, Python, etc have concepts that make sense for programmers that non programmers don't grasp. Think of it this way, if you give a good designer the Rails Book (or another one), he may be able to do something after a few weeks that may match (but very crudely) the app he thought off.

Now give the same designer Sketch/Figma, but allow him to sprinkle some logic in ready made blocks (if/elses, loops, save object, etc) and he will get much closer to what he wanted.

Is the second approach better? Well most programmers will scream at the database model, etc. For the designer, he did in 2-3 days what would take him weeks and get away with something better.

I think a lot of programmers look at their experience and think 'no-code' will never work, but (where my experience comes) 20+ years of doing software development as a consultant, what I found is 80-90% of most software share most of their functionality, and the remaining percent are in many ways doable with just a bit of 'scripting'

Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

#126
Using data tables to publish websites and apps is an interesting concept and having an in-house tool to produce most commonly requested ones makes total sense. Look at their templates: Inventory management, Team Tracking, Surveys, Reporting...etc. It makes sense.

One hard problem here though, by the looks of it, the tool is a database designed by engineers in response to a lengthy requirements document. It has no regard for user experience, and is one of those things you can use, only if you go through a 3 week training course.

This, imo, is where AWS could borrow from startup playbook, and instead of launching a spaceship, start instead with a paper airplane. Imagine if all you could do was to publish an inventory-management tool, that in one-click integrated with Amazon Pay and let the customers buy your products on a website?

Maybe Amazon is waiting for someone else to build this on top of their tools, and then make it available, but that poses a question why. Why would someone build on top of Honeycode, only to have Amazon eventually make it their own?

Interesting concept, but it's got a long ways to go before anyone needs to be scared of what Amazon can do with this thing.

Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

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post #101

Yahoo! Pipes tried this more than a decade ago, it's interesting to see that the dream of "apps my mom could build" never dies. Except most people want to be consumers of applications, not creators. And those who really want to be creators they learn how to code. So, like with Pipes, I am not really sure who is the target audience here. Microsoft Popfly[1] was another one from back in the days. [1] - https://en.wikip…

"apps my mom could build" kind of describes Excel workbooks. People effectively use excel to build (highly constrained) GUIs for processing data using custom logic that they specify themselves. And excel's popularity speaks for itself, it's completely pervasive. So that's the answer; the audience isn't programmers, it's the officeworkers all over the world currently using Excel to automate office tasks and want a better delivery mechanism than a shared Excel file on the office LAN. That's such a big pie that even capturing a small slice of it might be a reasonably profitable endeavor.

Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

#128
Too bad this is just another low-code CRUD offering for SMB/Enterprise. This would have been so much more interesting if it allowed me to build an app for mobile and web with a custom domain, database modeling and storage, integration-eque triggers/automations, all while keeping the underlying platform invisible to the user. Instead, I have to create a team on AWS and then invite members who then have to install the Honeycode player on their phones just to use my app.

In other words, Bubble needs more competition.

Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

#129

Google would be smart to acquire Glide ( https://www.glideapps.com/ )

Google acquired AppSheet earlier this year. AppSheet has been around for longer than Glide and it has more clients and features. They already acquired the leader in building apps from spreadsheets.

Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code

#130

Using data tables to publish websites and apps is an interesting concept and having an in-house tool to produce most commonly requested ones makes total sense. Look at their templates: Inventory management, Team Tracking, Surveys, Reporting...etc. It makes sense. One hard problem here though, by the looks of it, the tool is a database designed by engineers in response to a lengthy requirements document. It has no reg…

p.s. One thing I can't figure out is if Honeycode can function as an API. If I am already using AWS for my other infra, keeping my data inside their "Excel" and then auto process and export it to somewhere using drag-and-drop automation, that makes perfect sense.

In fact, the whole "no code" Dreamweaver analogy isn't all that fitting. If they just said "Excel spreadsheet on steroids that integrates with other AWS product," would make more sense, to me at least.

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