Create No-JavaScript friendly sites

Post by hilbert42 » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 10:35 AM UTC

matthoiland wrote: post #36

mdoms wrote: post #12

I absolutely agree that JS is over-used, but for anything other than very static content I generally am not interested in kowtowing to the strict "no JS" folks. Javascript has become a fundamental part of the web, and for the same reason I won't put in extra work to make my sites work in IE, I also will not put in extra work to make my sites work for (a vanishingly small number of) people who pre-emptively block one…

I've spent most of my career as a front end developer. We have three tools in our toolbox: HTML, CSS, and Javascript. We need them all and will push each to the extreme to create better experiences for our users and reimagine what the web can become. I also work in the healthcare space with heavy HIPAA security requirements. Like any language/framework/platform there are best practices to follow for solid security an…

Post by eadmund » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 11:48 AM UTC

errantspark wrote: post #105

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #60

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> because they can make good risk/reward assessments Indeed, and I made mine. No ads, not tracking, no risk of malware, no need for virus scanner, high speed page loading (ahem, when it works). Worth it? For me, sure! Peace of mind means a lot to me. What's so hard about making web pages that don't use unnecessary tech?

There's nothing wrong with it, I AGREE with you that we shouldn't ship 5 megs of some garbage framework with every blog post. The point I'm responding to is that it's somehow reasonable or common for "professionals" to run with JS off, and to not do so is "playing around". It's not. It's a very niche thing that very few people get an actual benefit from.

Post by mariusor » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 2:47 PM UTC

mariusor wrote: post #124

chadlavi wrote: post #24

Note that this example he gives is not accessible: https://codepen.io/victorcopque/pen/OVxRbq A keyboard user cannot access the hidden checkbox that controls showing/hiding the menu.

I wonder if a better usability example would use the and elements, which support collapsing/uncollapsing.

Post by mdoms » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 5:45 PM UTC

hilbert42 wrote: post #116

mdoms wrote: post #12

I absolutely agree that JS is over-used, but for anything other than very static content I generally am not interested in kowtowing to the strict "no JS" folks. Javascript has become a fundamental part of the web, and for the same reason I won't put in extra work to make my sites work in IE, I also will not put in extra work to make my sites work for (a vanishingly small number of) people who pre-emptively block one…

@mdoms "I won't put in extra work to make my sites work in IE, I also will not put in extra work to make my sites work for (a vanishingly small number of) people who pre-emptively block one of the most powerful tools in my belt." Well, I'm glad to be one of that vanishingly small number who still has the wherewithal to block one of your most powerful tools—as we've damn good reasons to do so. I could be as rude and a…

Post by hilbert42 » Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 8:37 PM UTC

mdoms wrote: post #127

hilbert42 wrote: post #116

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@mdoms "I won't put in extra work to make my sites work in IE, I also will not put in extra work to make my sites work for (a vanishingly small number of) people who pre-emptively block one of the most powerful tools in my belt." Well, I'm glad to be one of that vanishingly small number who still has the wherewithal to block one of your most powerful tools—as we've damn good reasons to do so. I could be as rude and a…

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