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Post by goblin89 » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 2:04 PM UTC

sergeykish wrote: post #117

goblin89 wrote: post #114

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> I have LinkedIn profile and ignore it. I also ignore my LinkedIn, but I would not mind it being popular just in case I lose all existing customers and need a gig for whatever reason. With that in mind, imagine I link to my LinkedIn from my Instagram (let’s imagine my Instagram is very popular), and then see some tired headhunter tweeting “In general on Instagram, software engineers are funneling recruiters to their…

Your profile would not be usual. I don't understand what's going on with gender speech. No matter how I want I can't give birth to baby. Not carry, not breastfeed. This results in different roles in hunter-gatherer society, optimized in genes throughout millennia. We should have same rights but we can't expect same results. We have different stats, we have different brains (hormones whatever). Even children. Boys com…

No need to apologize, we all tend to understand things in ways that reflect ourselves!

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by chadcmulligan » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 2:24 PM UTC

chrismorgan wrote: post #109

chadcmulligan wrote: post #69

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They do have some patents https://patents.justia.com/assignee/zoom-video-communication... so there was some innovation required. I thought they may use middle out compression, but couldn't see its mentioned

Patents are an extremely poor signal of required innovation; I strongly suspect they’re worse than random. Most innovation is retained as trade secret rather than patented. Patents are more an indicator that you’re a big business, or that you are operating in a domain where hostile use of patents is rife (and video is one such area). I just did a very quick skim through those patents (just reading what’s on that page…

Funny, patents were originally intended to stop people keeping trade secrets, now so many patents are just nonsense, all the important stuff is kept secret again.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by naasking » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 2:35 PM UTC

goblin89 wrote: post #114

sergeykish wrote: post #113

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I have LinkedIn profile and ignore it. HRs may say it loud, sorry, most of the time I do not seek job offer. Would I respond if someone I value send me an email? Government: "Only you can save Earth from Aliens". Hell, yeah! It is not language that hurts, it is what behind it. I see nothing wrong behind original sentence. In yours I feel lie - there is something shameful, something that can't be said. Also you've cha…

> I have LinkedIn profile and ignore it. I also ignore my LinkedIn, but I would not mind it being popular just in case I lose all existing customers and need a gig for whatever reason. With that in mind, imagine I link to my LinkedIn from my Instagram (let’s imagine my Instagram is very popular), and then see some tired headhunter tweeting “In general on Instagram, software engineers are funneling recruiters to their…

> The difference is, in our culture as it is now Apple can’t possibly take damage from such a statement, while women regularly suffer violence from men.

So your counterfactual claim is that if statements about about women "scheming" didn't exist, violence against women would be lower? That seems like a pretty strong causal claim when all we have is correlative data.

It could simply be that the people who are violent against women start and perpetuate such statements, rather than that such statements causes people to be violent towards women.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by srich36 » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 3:17 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #16

DevKoala wrote: post #9

I find it amusing that Zoom’s user experience allowed it to capture the market to such degree that is now making waves in pop culture. How did Google, Microsoft, Cisco, etc get it so wrong all of these years?

Zoom is still in "growth phase" which means they aren't under a lot of pressure to turn a profit at this particular moment. So they proactively offered their free service to schools, the free tier isn't time-limited, plus their corporate product is basically the same as the consumer/free product. And on the other side, Google was totally caught napping and assumed that everyone knew about Meet. https://www.nytimes.co…

Zoom actually is profitable and was one of the rare technology companies to be profitable at IPO. Although they do offer a lot of free services they nailed the freemium line - 40 minute free calls - since the most effective business meetings are 45 minutes.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by vmception » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 4:20 PM UTC

northern-lights wrote: post #106

vmception wrote: post #54

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> Instead, he suggested that we all wait and purchase the book on the same day from Amazon. The strategy worked -- the book was #1 in its category that day. In my instagram marketing last decade thats what we did. While others were imagining that people "buy likes", or actually were dealing with bots, we were doing this for our clients. Basically you get meme accounts to do a promotion of a profile that is currently…

It's clear that you are trying to sell something here. Might as well be obvious about it. Direct marketing works best in some cases (and definitely yours going by your other posts).

Im not trying to sell anything, I'm done with growing Instagram accounts and am satisfied with the women in my life so I don't care if these industry techniques have diminishing usefulness when too many people start trying them, and which post, the Goorin Bros one?

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by goblin89 » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

naasking wrote: post #123

goblin89 wrote: post #114

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> I have LinkedIn profile and ignore it. I also ignore my LinkedIn, but I would not mind it being popular just in case I lose all existing customers and need a gig for whatever reason. With that in mind, imagine I link to my LinkedIn from my Instagram (let’s imagine my Instagram is very popular), and then see some tired headhunter tweeting “In general on Instagram, software engineers are funneling recruiters to their…

> The difference is, in our culture as it is now Apple can’t possibly take damage from such a statement, while women regularly suffer violence from men. So your counterfactual claim is that if statements about about women "scheming" didn't exist, violence against women would be lower? That seems like a pretty strong causal claim when all we have is correlative data. It could simply be that the people who are violent…

TL;DR yes to your first sentence, pretty much?

I believe that (A) discovering what is considered normal in one’s community influences what one thinks, and (B) what one thinks is not disconnected from what one does.

The trap of entitlement is easy to fall into, and if a statement can be interpreted in a way that implies you are owed something and deprived of it by a group who can provide it (that group already having reasons to fear violence from your own group) then I oppose the wording.

The existence of such a statement in vacuum does not matter, the trouble starts when it is published in a community. Bonus points if it’s mentioned casually in passing, implying it’s nothing out of ordinary. Bonus points if it goes by unopposed by the community (thankfully, not on HN).

Someone in the community may have their existing line of thinking reinforced. Someone else, who does not have an established opinion on this matter but is going through a difficult period in life (which during formative years or early adulthood is not uncommonly associated with lack of intimate relationships), may start considering this idea for the first time.

Start feeling belonging to a group where this is normal, and a feedback loop may be formed with horrible publicized outcomes[0] and not unlikely many cases we don’t know about.

If you believe that there is no causal link between those outcomes and perpetrators being able to discover communities where relevant opinions were considered normal, then we disagree and I hope you eventually change your mind.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#2010s

To be clear, this may not even be purposeful. We may not phrase things carefully at all times, and in some cases casual accidental phrasing can imply things we did not actively consider before. Being aware helps.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by vmception » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 4:26 PM UTC

obiye wrote: post #108

vmception wrote: post #92

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Goorin Brothers! oh shoot! It was when I said social proof wasn't it! well the other term I was specifically avoiding was demonstrating higher value. Yes, gotta update those concepts to conform to things people actually value this decade, especially when wealth and education credentials are more ubiquitous and not unique (in SF/Bay Area) and both genders have it more often. I just don't want to be associated with the…

It’s all the same stuff. I’ll never understand the appeal.

The appeal is to remove the randomness from society and specifically regarding attraction and consensual intimate outcomes.

I didn't like having an average case success with average people an average amount of times. I was and still am very allured by having best case success with consensus attractive people an above average amount of times. Consensus attractive and whatever I specifically find to be extremes of attraction, of which there is significant overlap.

Most of the attraction things I would do are gender neutral and are useful outside of courtship contexts. More like sales. Live in a desirable neighborhood, enjoy certain experiences. If I would portray a certain accurate lifestyle in a client meeting where the business itself is in the back of our minds but relevant, I would portray it on a date where the "business itself" is in the back of our minds but relevant.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by goldenkey » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 4:35 PM UTC

lowtolerance wrote: post #116

vmception wrote: post #99

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Can you elaborate on how you would acknowledge that valid reality? Is there a different wording you would use if it was indeed common and accurate outcome? From my perspective there is no contempt, only circumvention and the reason why.

It’s not a “valid reality”, it’s the anecdotal experience of someone who uses dating apps to collect attractive women. In general , this is not how women behave on dating apps. This is how models who are obviously self-promoting through dating apps behave; it’s only your general experience because this is clearly what you are drawn to.

This isn't the least bit true. Tinder and the like are filled with spamming "influencers" that are pretty much only using the platforms to funnel simps to their IG and other social accounts, in order to gain more followers. Modern day spam, essentially.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by vmception » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 4:39 PM UTC

anon9001 wrote: post #115

vmception wrote: post #54

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> Instead, he suggested that we all wait and purchase the book on the same day from Amazon. The strategy worked -- the book was #1 in its category that day. In my instagram marketing last decade thats what we did. While others were imagining that people "buy likes", or actually were dealing with bots, we were doing this for our clients. Basically you get meme accounts to do a promotion of a profile that is currently…

A couple of quick questions if you don't mind, since I don't use ig but I'm trying to understand your post: > Basically you get meme accounts to do a promotion of a profile that is currently private Is this as crude as looking for large accounts on socialblade and sending them DMs? Or is there some kind of marketplace? Are there popular forums or something I should know about? What kind of pricing are you looking for…

Think of it as an economy. The venues for communication are definitely all of the above, but there are also group chats in instagram where meme and large accounts hang out and like each other's post and reshare each other's content. So for getting started there are cold DMs, there are forums, there ARE marketplaces mostly for the buying and selling of accounts, and there are also DMs.

The otherside of this economy is the ROI of the account. If you paid money for the account, or for promos, or analytics tools, you should be able to know how fast you can break even doing your own promos. Can you account charge $10 or what.

When YOU want to do promos for other people, you should already be in a position to DM meme accounts and individuals directly.

The individual market has its own tiers, anyone under 10k followers is out of the loop, but is doing okay at the social popularity game which is the crux of instagram: A follower casino where few people actually win. Many will pay $10 for a promo. More will do a reciprocal promo for free.

Regarding private profiles, people want to know what they are missing. Is it explicit and erotic tantalizing content that will be short lived before it gets taken down!? Is it hilarious content that only the cool people get to know about!? Maybe there is a sneaker or consumer electronics promo happening on this secret page, maybe a secret society that conveys long lasting advantages if you happen to be there. Yes its an instagram culture thing.

Yeah what to actually post on the account is hard work. But you don't actually have to do it much if you just want a profile with authority and power in direct messaging or real world trading for free stuff (you promise exposure, real luxury businesses give you their service). But for active posting, there are various tools to automate it, but it is really hard work either way. If you want to create a very valuable account to generate cash flow from more expensive one-off promotions, to funnel many users to a real subscriber business of your own or something you partner with, or selling the account at a revenue multiple, then you have to figure this out. You have your niches and you can have original content or not. Being able to quantify 3% engagement is a gold mine. Higher? Palladium.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Post by vmception » Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 4:48 PM UTC

goblin89 wrote: post #107

vmception wrote: post #99

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Can you elaborate on how you would acknowledge that valid reality? Is there a different wording you would use if it was indeed common and accurate outcome? From my perspective there is no contempt, only circumvention and the reason why.

Before claiming that group X does Y to cause outcome Z that is unpleasant to someone, it is worth considering: 1. Is Y really a behavior exclusive to group X? 2. Is behavior Y fair to generalize across members of group X? 3. Is outcome Z the intended purpose of behavior Y, or is a side-effect that someone might take painfully? For example, the sentiment of “In general on dating apps, women are funneling people to the…

But this wasn't a quantitative analysis on what other combinations of people experience. It was acknowledging a shared cisgender experience with women. It doesn't matter if other combinations of people do or don't experience this, and I didn't suggest it was exclusive to any one group. It also happens, which I think is the most important thing here.