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Post by TeaDrunk »

ianai wrote: post #106
TeaDrunk wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in the middle of NYC, which has had several scenes of looting not 30 min from me broadcast to the entire nation, and I haven't heard of any such movement here. Maybe this is my east coast classist bubble, but I'd appreciate being educated on this matter?

So there’s the boogaloo movement. There’s the Calexit campaign that was propped up by Russia in California last election. Probably you’re not seeing it because you’re not being targeted on social media for it and not going those parts of the internet. I really hope Zuckerberg was serious about policing foreign governments from buying ads on their platforms.

Yes, do you have links to said movements or reporters of said movements? Where are you getting this information?

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Post by scruple »

lostapathy wrote: post #67
ianai wrote: post #35

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What’s crazy though is for the first time in my life I actually fear for the future existence of the US. I watched 9/11 in real time and that didn’t feel as much of a threat to our existence as this does. There’s an actual civil war movement among the extremists now. I don’t think that existed during the civil rights movement days, even. Nor even the Vietnam fallout.

I think there's a lot of rose colored history about the civil rights movement. We're mostly taught one side of it in school - that good people protested and won out over bad people. We don't, in general, talk about the horrible things that were happening back then. Only unlike a lot of racial problems today, they happened in plain sight and were celebrated. I know Rand Paul got a lot of hate for his recent speech aga…

Most people don't even know who Fred Hampton was. Even people who lived through the civil rights movement don't recall his name. My own parents downplay the violence of the 70s in favor of the rhetoric du jour that they're fed from mainstream media, and they lived in DC from 1972 until late in 1980 (and, all things considered, they are leftists, not liberals, which makes it even more astonishing to me). It's quite astounding just how fragile our memories are and how easily we can be (emotionally) manipulated.

"Days of Rage" by Bryan Burrough is a good read on the subject (political violence in the late 60s and 70s). There's a good blog / semi-book review that I link people to when they seem intent on learning more of the history (which I originally got from a comment on HN during the 2016 election cycle) [0].

[0]: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/

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Post by ytNumbers »

redisman wrote: post #73
LockAndLol wrote: post #25

So is Europe. Apparently fueled by the protests in the US there have been demonstrations in Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, Barcelona and other cities. Not only are they protesting against racism but it seems like there are quite a few also protesting against the lockdown measures. Once the weather gets better again you can bet that all along the European coasts hoardes or people will be ignoring the laxer provisio…

What I can’t even begin to understand is why would there not be a second wave? Nothing biological has changed. Prevention measures have been mostly a temporary lockdown which obviously has a extremely high cost in money and goodwill.

Sometimes a virus will mutate to become less deadly. Could that be happening right now with COVID-19? Maybe. Judge for yourself...

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/doctors-...

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Post by glofish »

monadic2 wrote: post #6
Barrin92 wrote: post #4

The concerns are right but public assembly is critical in a democracy, and cannot be put on hold indefinitely. It's probably the most fundamental right in any civil society and with all these takes I have seen on twitter about COVID and the protests, a lot of people seem to seriously unerestimate the value that free assembly has. Covid as bad as it is will be an issue of the near future, civil rights gains or losses…

Additionally, mask usage is seriously high at these protests. I’ll literally be marching down the street and see folks on rooftop bars, beers in hand, elbow to elbow, not a mask in sight. that scares me more than a protest where you can freely trail behind at distance.

masks, when worn by the general (or asymptomatic) population have not been proven to reduce the spread of SARS-COV-2 - no seriously there is no evidence to support mask usage - the belief that mask do anything is nothing more than a superstition - the virus take the form of an an aerosol that is not stopped by a little cotton thing in front of your nose

do you honestly believe that a little rag in front of your mouth will reduce the spread in big crowd everyone screaming at the same time?

the protest might just prove false all the scaremongering, this is what I see very as a likely outcome

and that the disease does not propagate outdoors, that the disease does not propage by touch etc.

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Post by danbolt »

axguscbklp wrote: post #88
eganist wrote: post #54

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> there's a certain misery that comes with [...] watching 10,000 people pack together downtown exercising their right to free assembly, and likely undoing all those months of progress. Yep, that's called privilege. And I'm not even trying to be snarky. From the perspective of the protesters, taking this opportunity to protest and possibly achieve change means hopefully lowering the general mortality risk for generati…

But are the protests really founded on something significant? If they focused simply on police brutality regardless of race, that would be one thing, but the general narrative seems to be that there is a big problem of white-on-black violence in the form of cops. Now, there is such a problem, but this ignores the wider context that in this country, black-on-white violence is a much bigger problem than white-on-black…

I was under the impression that most violence happens between members of the same race in United States. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_S...

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Post by monadic2 »

SPQT wrote: post #94
monadic2 wrote: post #34

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> We also were told that Georgia was going to be a disaster for reopening too soon and that has not come to pass. Tell that to the families of the dead. I’m sure they’ll be happy to know they died propping up your portfolios while people starve on the streets. It’s the most american thing ever to insist on returning to work above all other values—there’s that death cult for you. The dow demands blood!

You do understand that the poor are the one that suffer from the lockdown and its side effects? I'm making sweet sweet benjies while "working" from 3 bed home with garden and managed to gobble up stocks on the cheap when we were in sky is falling mode.

Sure, but that was a choice by our government to not bail out the people—again, the death cult.

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

mydongle wrote: post #113

It's tragic watching this play out. 4chan's /pol/ amongst many other racists love it. They don't have to do anything while everything implodes. They see Covid-19 as a nothing burger, and health experts giving these protestors a pass vindicates their belief. But if Covid-19 is not a nothing burger, then these protests will end up with many black people and other minorities sick and possibly dead. People on the alt-rig…

bingo

the information war is being fought with bricks and 'boogaloos', nothing about 9 days of riots and protests goes against 4chans goals and desire to throw the US into chaos.

you don't even need disinformation when articles will back you up based on your political alignments

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Post by whiddershins »

Barrin92 wrote: post #4

The concerns are right but public assembly is critical in a democracy, and cannot be put on hold indefinitely. It's probably the most fundamental right in any civil society and with all these takes I have seen on twitter about COVID and the protests, a lot of people seem to seriously unerestimate the value that free assembly has. Covid as bad as it is will be an issue of the near future, civil rights gains or losses…

Commerce, working, mourning the dead, having weddings, creating art, performing music.

How is the ‘free assembly’ you are talking about more important, and even if it is to many, am I required to have come to the same conclusion, or to follow the conclusion someone else has made for me?

I have a feeling a lot of freedom of assembly protections were really more about the ability to get together and discuss stuff than it was about marches and protests.

In that case, our freedom to assemble has been massively curtailed for months.

Who gets to decide what assembly is worth violating the lockdown for?

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Post by pstuart »

mydongle wrote: post #114
pstuart wrote: post #112

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Nuance is not so important in this situation. The effect is that people have been effectively given a pass to disregard the virus, as long as they're "protesting". Look at the protests and all the riots, do you see social distancing happening? People are throwing punches out there my dude. It's chaos.

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Post by bryant »

axguscbklp wrote: post #118
ribasushi wrote: post #111

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> in this country, black-on-white violence is a much bigger problem than white-on-black violence In the interest of discourse, I am genuinely curious: how did you arrive at the quoted statement? Links to anything that would allow me to understand your view will be very much appreciated.

2018 FBI homicide statistics: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-... 514 black-on-white homicides, 234 white-on-black homicides.

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