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San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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> enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability You mean by not having public housing? > Homelessness is - for the most part in San Francisco - a choice and/or a result of mental illness and drug addiction. It's obviously not a choice. It's also not the result of mental illness nor of drug addiction, at least for the most part, as people suffering from mental illness or addicted to some drug also don't…

They do refuse housing when it is being offered. In addition to this San Francisco does not cooperate with ICE to deport illegal aliens which make the housing problem worse. Do you agree that if they do refuse housing we need to do something about it? Do you also agree that we should start taking action in making more housing available by at least deporting illegal aliens? It is obvious by now - after 40 years - that…

If you build enough shelter space to house the homeless population, by law your choices are to sleep in the shelter or go to jail if you refuse. Until enough shelter space is built, you can continue to sleep on the sidewalk. See the Boise decision which dictates this policy all over the Western United States.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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People who realize housing people is cheaper than jailing them.

How is it in any way cheaper. I mean yes, if you ship people to middle america it will be. But touting a "right" to housing in SF is preposterous, at $1000 / sq ft (and will only go up with more demand).

Jails are more expensive to construct, are staffed, and also take up space like other forms of real estate.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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give them the compassion and support that any one of us deserves as human beings. if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. if they want a job, give them one. if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. everyone deserves the help the desire. there is no reason why we should putting each other down.

> if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. What if they don't want to be on medication? > if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. What if they have no interest in doing that?

Right now, nothing. If you build enough shelter space, by law, you no longer can make these decisions. If there is enough shelter space to house the homeless population, the choices become go to the shelter or go to jail. This is why we need to build more shelters as soon as possible.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Brutal winters though if you are coming from CA. Honestly one of the under rated large cities in the US is Cleveland. I have had to travel a lot for work over the years and was impressed by the dining options available and the general togetherness of the community there. Again winters...bad...

I grew up wearing shorts while there was snow on the ground, but Cleveland was the first city where I understood why scarves and gloves are a thing. Brutally cold wind. But on the flipside, their street maintenance was amazing . It was snowing almost all the time during the winter, but the road were always clear.

Grew up there. They plow the roads then don't fix the potholes the plows make lol. The infrastructure maintenance budgets are shoestrings because the city lost 60% of its population over the past 50 years.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Applying "illegal" to someone who is in your country without __papers please__, is just so astonishing to me. Why on earth do you give a shit who lives where in the world? I've immigrated to the US, legally, gone through all the paperwork and expenses. I don't give a fuck if "illegal" immigrants exist. I will continue to advocate for them and vote for policies that keep them safe.

Illegal immigrants do not have lawful ways to find a job. They will either get abused in one way or another, or they will start looking at illegal activities to survive (ie, drug dealing). Encouraging illegal immigration - like you are suggesting by enabling them to come to San Francisco - not only is dangerous for the community but it is first and foremost dangerous for those people who come here thinking it's parad…

Maybe then make it legal for them to find a job?

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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give them the compassion and support that any one of us deserves as human beings. if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. if they want a job, give them one. if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. everyone deserves the help the desire. there is no reason why we should putting each other down.

> if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. What if they don't want to be on medication? > if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. What if they have no interest in doing that?

really... you're gonna play the "what if" game? i thought we all had a higher intellect than that on this site... apparently i was wrong.
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