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Re: UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilator alternatives

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Post by ineedasername » Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

Izkata wrote: post #104

ineedasername wrote: post #68

I wonder how they decide which patients would get the cannula instead of a ventilator? Otherwise, intubation w/ a ventilator generally requires some form of sedation-- I wonder if that sedation has an impact on the body's ability to fight back.

By seeing what type of damage is being done to the lungs through CT scan or X-Ray, according to this article on a similar topic from two weeks ago: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200407/doctors-puzzle-over... More and more it's starting to look to me like we have two different novel viruses going around.

Two viruses may be possible, but other diseases certainly can have similar ranges of problems: The Flu might case different type of lung problems-- pneumonia, bronchitis, exacerbate asthma. Or it might hit your stomach, or result in ear infections by allowing other opportunistic infections to fester, or seizures. It may cause pericarditis or other heart problems, or strokes. So it is not unreasonable to assume that Covid-19 might cause the same symptoms through 2 different mechanisms.

Re: UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilator alternatives

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Post by mrfusion » Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 9:24 PM UTC

empath75 wrote: post #45

mrfusion wrote: post #23

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Not sure why you’re being downvoted. Here’s an article that puts sources and numbers on your thought: https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-i... I’d be curious to hear counterpoints. I could be wrong. It does anyone think this will go away with a long enough lockdown? Or is there any solution other than herd immunity?

We don’t know if people have long term immunity.

If we didn’t have immunity it would be unlike any other respiratory virus known to man. All other corona viruses have non-insignificant periods of immunity.

Further Fauci himself says it’s very likely there is immunity: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/fauci-really-c...

There was also a study performed on monkeys showing immunity: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.13.990226v1

Re: UChicago doctors see ‘remarkable’ success using ventilator alternatives

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Post by 1996 » Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 6:58 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #105

1996 wrote: post #100

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and it could be done at home, using an O2 cannister, that should be cheap even for those paying out of pocket without medical insurance. no wonder why the medical establishment would be opposed to a simple work around that would remove the need for hospitalization or ICU

These patients still need the care and monitoring you'd get in an ICU, and there's zero indication the "medical establishment" is opposed to it - high-flow oxygen is used regularly in hospitals in a variety of scenarios.

define care and monitoring.

- care, like taking the drugs they have been prescribed and regularly take at home? Any family member can do that.

- monitoring that the saturation does not fall too low... so that patients can be intubated with a 90% risk of death? I'd rather opt out of that one.

To be clear, I'm talking about de-medicalizing covid: no ICU, no hospital. Just O2 nasal canula at home.

It seems unimaginable, but a large number of in the world deal with no hospital healthcare.