In recent weeks I've been getting different ads from usual, particularly ones for luxury NYC apartments, such as in Brooklyn, e.g. $4K/month. I'm roughly 3 hours away. People will tell you that the ad algorithm knows all, but I can't imagine why this makes sense.
New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
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Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a meme that just won't die even when we are currently seeing the major downsides of very high population densities. I moved from SF to a suburb in another state (with a balanced budget requirement) and have 3x the space for ⅓ the price. I am still closer in commute time to the major job centers than most of my SF coworkers were.
High density neighbourhoods are too popular, nobody lives in those places anymore.
That sounds like an allusion to a Yogi Berraism, but I don't think it really is.
When I lived downtown within a 10 minute walk of work, it was pretty nice, but most of the space was not apartments; it was commercial. Offices, restaurants, etc. In fact, my apartment was a converted hotel - the sort of place I couldn't hope to afford in NYC or DC.
So, isn't it kind of normal for central urban areas to be too dense and high rent for (normal) people to live in?
Conversely, I'm living within city limits now, but practically it's indistinguishable from (and adjoining) "suburbs" so saying people need to live in this sort of place instead seems meaningless to me.
Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> California has a much lower death rate despite having cities with a population density in the same magnitude as NYC New York is denser than any city in California. "New York is far more crowded than any other major city in the United States. It has 28,000 residents per square mile, while San Francisco, the next most jammed city, has 17,000, according to data from the U.S. Census Bur" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03…
If it's just density, why does SF have so few deaths (20), fewer than cities much less dense than SF? eg Seattle is much less dense but has 15x as many deaths as SF. There is clearly an element of chance/which sub-population was infected/timing of responses in play here. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2020/04/07...
From another thread, subway?
Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
* World-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking less than an hour's drive from downtown * I moved here from Canada, the weather really isn't that bad; it's been a beautiful spring here while all my Canadian friends are still dealing with snow * Seattle has a huge number of sakura and so the city has beautiful pink cherry blossom clouds everywhere for the entire month of April * The entire environment is so in…
> It's funny that the thing you think Seattle has going for it - low taxes - directly contributes to the issue of homelessness and half of your complaints. We should reward non-productive people with other people's money? You don't give the rat his meal until he completes the maze.
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Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
As of today, 10,344 confirmed deaths [0] from COVID-19, of a population of 8.4m [1] is 0.12% [2]. This is less than the original parent states, but only by 2x. [0] https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=coronav... [1] https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=nyc+pop... [2] Elementary math?
NYS has 18,776 deaths as of today’s count. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
That’s New York State. My numbers are for the city proper.
Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
I lived in Chicago and paid $1500/mo for a 1500 sq/ft loft in River North, AC, dishwasher, in-unit laundry. The rents here are insane compared to other places.
How long ago was this? For a smaller place (900sqft for a 2 or 3 bedroom) they're asking $3200 in logan square. Right arround the corner (western/armitage) they're asking $1800 for a studio.
You can still get $1500/mo for a 2br on the north side. Just be on the brown line instead of the blue line.
The trendy neighborhoods can be just as expensive as SF SOMA, but there's so much inventory, so the non-trendy but nice neighborhoods are much, much cheaper.
Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
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As of today, 10,344 confirmed deaths [0] from COVID-19, of a population of 8.4m [1] is 0.12% [2]. This is less than the original parent states, but only by 2x. [0] https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=coronav... [1] https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=nyc+pop... [2] Elementary math?
Not all the deaths are tested for COVID. Those that aren't don't make it into the stats. [1] Overall mortality, compared to the baseline, has skyrocketed in the past few weeks. For the March 4 - April 4 time period, it was double the usual rate. [2] [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/10/upshot/corona...
Yes, this is a very obvious and severe underestimate for sure. But the point is that the death rate must be at least 0.12%!
Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can maybe get a micro studio in cap hill for $1500/mo, but any 1 Bed / 1 Bath at that price point probably hasn't been renovated since 1974. You need to spend 50% more to get something "decent", and your walking commute to actual jobs is going to approach 30 minutes for the lower priced stuff.
Let go of your desire to have something built within the past five years and your horizons broaden considerably. There are plenty of beautiful buildings just a few blocks off the Pike/Pine corridor that are perfectly comfortable & livable. A quick look at craigslist confirms this, although prices are higher now that weather is nice - you can usually save $200/month by renewing your lease in January or February.
In those old buildings without a concierge your packages will get stolen and you'll be living in a high crime area. I've lived in old places before and it's terrible. At minimum, you deal with poor infrastructure (no in unit laundry or dish washer) and bugs. Prices are actually low due to COVID. I've lived nearby to Pike and Pine and know the area well.
I'm happy to maximize my TC and not worry about the extra $10k a year to live in a nice, modern building.
Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's just density, why does SF have so few deaths (20), fewer than cities much less dense than SF? eg Seattle is much less dense but has 15x as many deaths as SF. There is clearly an element of chance/which sub-population was infected/timing of responses in play here. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2020/04/07...
From another thread, subway?
Subway doesn’t explain why Seattle more than SF.
Basically only timing of shelter-in-place does.
Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the other hand, California has a much lower death rate despite having cities with a population density in the same magnitude as NYC, which seems to suggest some level of luck of the draw here in initial unrecorded spread before lockdowns came into place.
> California has a much lower death rate despite having cities with a population density in the same magnitude as NYC New York is denser than any city in California. "New York is far more crowded than any other major city in the United States. It has 28,000 residents per square mile, while San Francisco, the next most jammed city, has 17,000, according to data from the U.S. Census Bur" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03…
This doesn't explain Staten Island. Its population density is half of San Francisco's, its population half, but has had 533 deaths vs. SF's 20.
And a sibling thread mentioned the subway; it doesn't go to Staten Island.