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Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by pknerd » Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 9:38 PM UTC

freeflight wrote: post #109

This reminds me very much about a documentary I saw a while back about competitive fighting games [0]. A Pakistani newcomer ended up taking everybody by surprise in a big Tekken 7 tournament trough his unconventional way of playing. This was apparently the result of Pakistani arcade culture existing in its own isolated underground niche, in which a completely independent meta for playing the game evolved. Internation…

Wow thanks for sharing. Being a Pakistani I loved how he actually won the games.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by randomsearch » Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 9:46 PM UTC

searchableguy wrote: post #110

birdyrooster wrote: post #103

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It seems way too easy to cheat at this, I wouldn't trust any of those results.

It's not. The site detects cheating and is pretty good at it.

I know someone who worked on cheat detection in chess using ML. The solution turned out to be rather amusing, but I won’t disclose it here for obvious reasons. If you figure it out, it’ll probably amuse you too.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by freyir » Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 9:50 PM UTC

Taek wrote: post #108

freyir wrote: post #102

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> "probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2" He can't be 50-100 points higher than himself. Hikaru is #1. https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men_blitz

That's blitz. Bullet is a faster time control

Oh, you're right. Google pulls up FIDE's blitz rankings when you search for bullet chess rankings.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by brmgb » Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 11:47 PM UTC

dntbnmpls wrote: post #9

throwaway6575 wrote: post #2

Chess is one of the few fields where dominance can easily stretch into several decades - if you're a young prodigy you may breach into top level in your teenage years and last well until your 50s or 60s. Of course you won't be #1 this whole time (check out Lasker's longevity though) but you will always remain a top contender.

> Chess is one of the few fields where dominance can easily stretch into several decades Easily? No. The only player to have the top rating longer than 10 years is kasparov. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIDE_chess_world_numbe... > if you're a young prodigy you may breach into top level in your teenage years and last well until your 50s or 60s. Of course you won't be #1 this whole time (check out Lasker's lon…

> Easily? No. The only player to have the top rating longer than 10 years is kasparov.

That's because you are looking at a FIDE list which starts in 1971. Mikhail Botvinnik was the world champion from a nearly uninterrupted period from 1948 to 1963 (he lost to Tal once).

Capablanca was undefeated from 10 February 1916 to 21 March 1924 and remained a contender for best player in the world until his retirement in 1931.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 12:22 AM UTC

starik36 wrote: post #94

MattSteelblade wrote: post #24

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That was trivial to disprove https://i.imgur.com/tfL5u0i.png

I think the OP's point may have been that Alireza had to flee Iran to play international chess. He's been living in France for the last 7 years afaik.

Nakamura is described as an American player, but he lives in Napoli. Levon Aronian is Armenian, but he lives in Berlin. Players often don't live in the country they represent.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by pedrosorio » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:30 AM UTC

ajharrison wrote: post #115

pedrosorio wrote: post #72

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I think you will find that focusing a bit less on subjective notions of “respect” and not being offended by innocuous things will make your life a lot less stressful.

Pretty frightening that you can’t see the obvious bias. They could and should have named the “Iranian teen” in the headline instead of glorifying Magnus as some unbeatable chess god. Not to mention that in the actual article itself the hero image is of Magnus holding a trophy. For an article about how he lost. Get with it.

There is no "obvious bias". Firouzja is an "Iranian teen".

The fact that "a teen" has beaten the undisputed world champion and number one chess player in the world for the last 10 years at anything involving chess is very surprising and called out in the title (also a lot more click-baity).

Believe me, if and when Firouzja achieves Magnus status and if he then gets beaten by a teen unknown to general audiences we will see a similar headline with Iranian replaced by the teen's country of origin and "Magnus Carlsen" replaced with "Alireza Firouzja".

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by rusticpenn » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 6:29 AM UTC

jwilber wrote: post #68

Finbel wrote: post #61

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Wow that hurt to watch.

Yeah, not only did he throw his water bottle out of anger, he tried to appeal over something he lied about. Hard to care about him at all after seeing that behavior.

That is a 14 or 15 year old kid playing on global level.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by me_me_me » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 9:37 AM UTC

vpa10 wrote: post #6

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #4

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I would like to differ on this. It's getting harder and harder to maintain dominance. Kasparov was the one to hold the longest. Magnus, even though he is one of the best ever, is already losing out to Alireza in bullet, blitz and even almost in classical. Chess theory has a new Renaissance due to neutral networks and we will see newer GM's adapting to it.

This is not how I see it. Carlsen lost one insanely long online bullet match on lichess. He narrowly lost an online banter blitz match. This is not blitz, since also you have to talk while playing, which does not seem to suit Carlsen's personality. In classical, you can often "almost lose", except that Carlsen does not "actually lose", as exemplified by his ongoing record non-loss streak.

The classical time control chess is boring. It really feels like an exercise in memorization.

I stopped watching those as almost every tournament ends in armagedon. Its a statement of the incredible skills top players poses, but its incredibly boring to watch draw after draw.

Quicker time controls are more dynamic and allow to play subpar move to throw off your opponent. Often you can see some crazy attacks.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by achow » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 12:12 PM UTC

pknerd wrote: post #121

freeflight wrote: post #109

This reminds me very much about a documentary I saw a while back about competitive fighting games [0]. A Pakistani newcomer ended up taking everybody by surprise in a big Tekken 7 tournament trough his unconventional way of playing. This was apparently the result of Pakistani arcade culture existing in its own isolated underground niche, in which a completely independent meta for playing the game evolved. Internation…

Wow thanks for sharing. Being a Pakistani I loved how he actually won the games.

Then you would much enjoy reading this (I did).

The secret Pakistan masters of Tekken: Pakistani players seemingly came out of nowhere to dominate the classic fighting game this year.

https://theoutline.com/post/8447/tekken-pakistan-lahore-figh...

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by mcv » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:22 PM UTC

I'm not sure "shocks" is the right word. From what I understand, Carlsen already considered him his most dangerous opponent. Or at least a future rival.