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Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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> I hate to say it, but I’m actually jealous of people who have gone through and recovered from COVID-19. You can enter normal life again, you don’t need to have the fear, the rest of us are simply waiting because the chances of us getting it at some point is very high. Even if you have antibodies it's not going to be normal a life. There will still be social distancing expected and enforced, capacity limits at store…

Being able to visit friends and family is a hell of a step up over having zero face-to-face interactions with any other humans though.

> Being able to visit friends and family is a hell of a step up over having zero face-to-face interactions with any other humans though.

Sure, if your friends and family all have antibodies.

Otherwise you have to fear for their safety. You could just be running around spreading it to all your loved ones.

Having antibodies doesn't suddenly turn you and your appendages into magical virus-free objects.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hate to say it, but I’m actually jealous of people who have gone through and recovered from COVID-19. You can enter normal life again, you don’t need to have the fear, the rest of us are simply waiting because the chances of us getting it at some point is very high. Even if you have antibodies it's not going to be normal a life. There will still be social distancing expected and enforced, capacity limits at store…

Being able to visit friends and family is a hell of a step up over having zero face-to-face interactions with any other humans though.

You can still be contagious for a while after being free of symptoms - how long to isolate after that is still difficult to gauge. The NHS suggests 14 days after being free of symptoms. But when is that? That dry cough can last for quite a while...

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being able to visit friends and family is a hell of a step up over having zero face-to-face interactions with any other humans though.

You can still be contagious for a while after being free of symptoms - how long to isolate after that is still difficult to gauge. The NHS suggests 14 days after being free of symptoms. But when is that? That dry cough can last for quite a while...

The NHS advice is very weak, and much weaker than international advice. I hesitate to link it because I think they've got it wrong.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isol...

NHS says If you have symptoms the NHS tells you to self isolate for 7 days. If you still have symptoms you need to self isolate until those symptoms go.

NHS says If you live with someone who has symptoms you need to self isolate for 14 days from the day their symptoms started.

I think this is one of the reasons we have such high rates of infection in the UK.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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post #75

I think the risks shouldn't be downplayed, but the news media, aka advertising industry, frenzy over this pandemic is disgusting. Nobody that contracts this virus should fear death, yet that is what the mainstream media is selling and people are consuming: fear, death, uncertainty.

> Nobody that contracts this virus should fear death, yet that is what the mainstream media is selling and people are consuming: fear, death, uncertainty. Except, you know, about 1 in 30 that contracted it in Northern Italian cities with heavy spread and not enough ICUs, and 1 in 10 or so over 70 or with a prior condition...

I think visualizing the odds with playing Russian roulette drives the odds home: 1 in 30 means randomly picking one revolver from five, of which one has a single bullet chambered, putting it to your head and pulling the trigger. 1 in 10, you have two (very roughly), 1 in 300 (0.3%), you have fifty.

I don't want to play the game even with fifty.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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post #73

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I'm failing to find a list of recommended OTC drugs for covid19. All I'm finding is a generic statement that OTC drugs may help with symptom management. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/ca... Ventolin is an inhaler. It opens up the airways during asthma attacks or similar. Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant. The article under discussion indicates the author was given an inhaler and cough medic…

> Amphetamine salts are apparently used to treat ADHD. Some people use them illegally to concentrate for mid terms and finals at college or similar. I'm not personally aware of any valid reason to think they are appropriate for covid19. There is a study that shows in vitro, it helps fight the flu: https://covid19data.com/2020/03/06/meth-may-fight-flu-virus-... There are also many reports from meth users that they alm…

Huh, interesting. I wonder if ADHD amphetamine users get sick less often than others.

It's just a personal anecodte, but whenever I get sick, I take amphetamine salts. It absolutely lets me power through the day and relieves symptoms (mostly stuffy nose), but I don't know if it's sustainable for something as long lasting as c19.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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post #70

When I was in high school I was deeply afraid of death and thought about it daily. Then a few times over that period I got sick. Not unusually, or deathly sick, but feeling like utter garbage and perhaps enough to wonder if there was a very remote chance that the illness could threaten my life. And everytime I wondered that I realized that I had no fear of death which struck me as really odd given that I would otherw…

When I was younger, I was like you describe. I'd lay awake nights kinda freaked out that I would die some day. I remember looking up life expectancy and comforting myself that I had more than 75% or whatever left. When that wasn't enough, I'd think about how far away I was from graduation, and how, even after that, I'd have whatever-percent left. I knew it didn't work that way, and it was irrational, but it helped me…

That sounds rough.

Thanks for sharing.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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post #70

When I was in high school I was deeply afraid of death and thought about it daily. Then a few times over that period I got sick. Not unusually, or deathly sick, but feeling like utter garbage and perhaps enough to wonder if there was a very remote chance that the illness could threaten my life. And everytime I wondered that I realized that I had no fear of death which struck me as really odd given that I would otherw…

When I was younger, I was like you describe. I'd lay awake nights kinda freaked out that I would die some day. I remember looking up life expectancy and comforting myself that I had more than 75% or whatever left. When that wasn't enough, I'd think about how far away I was from graduation, and how, even after that, I'd have whatever-percent left. I knew it didn't work that way, and it was irrational, but it helped me…

And all of us with similar stories are all suffering now because everything we’ve worked up to control our panic is exactly the thing that triggers it. Fuck me.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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post #70

When I was in high school I was deeply afraid of death and thought about it daily. Then a few times over that period I got sick. Not unusually, or deathly sick, but feeling like utter garbage and perhaps enough to wonder if there was a very remote chance that the illness could threaten my life. And everytime I wondered that I realized that I had no fear of death which struck me as really odd given that I would otherw…

When I was younger, I was like you describe. I'd lay awake nights kinda freaked out that I would die some day. I remember looking up life expectancy and comforting myself that I had more than 75% or whatever left. When that wasn't enough, I'd think about how far away I was from graduation, and how, even after that, I'd have whatever-percent left. I knew it didn't work that way, and it was irrational, but it helped me…

I don't really have anything meaningful to add here, but thanks for sharing. I'm certain your story will be helpful to others here.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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To those scientific minds who enter the symptoms of Covid-19: if you find a desire and ability to experiment, you may find the courage to try a light ozone generator in a mostly closed room.

Healthcare systems of many countries are cornered by these assumptions: 1) light ozone generators cannot do a thing because they produce tiny concentrations of gas 2) the ozone is toxic.

While both of those statements are somewhat true, here is the thing.

The dangerous side of Covid-19 is its ability to target lungs in a fraction of patients. While this is a dangerous situation, it also makes it potentially susceptible to inhale treatments.

Now back to ozone. It is basically a recombined atoms of oxygen, but instead of ubiquitous O2, ozone is O3. As you might expect, it has higher oxidizing ability. Human can safely breathe ozone as long as its concentration goes below 0.2 mg/m3.

Ozone is not only a breathable gas. It also has an ability to disinfect. For example, it deactivates the viruses by over-oxidizing its surfaces.

Regarding the concentrations. It was shown that to kill 90% of SARS-CoV you would need an exposure of 20-112 mg / m3 during one minute. Which sounds like a lot but bare with me.

A disinfection with ozone has an accumulative effect, pretty much like with UV or radiation. For instance, a home ozonator (ozone generator) typically produces a concentration of 0.02 mg/m3. It would not kill the virus in a minute. But it will start to do so in 17 hours of exposure (20 mg/m3 / 0.02 mg/m3 / 60 min/hour = 16.6 hours).

Ozone can be generated in several ways. One of those is by exposing the air to UV-C. This is a preferable method for virus situation, because not only the desired gas is generated, but also because UV-C light has an ability to disinfect the air and surfaces by itself. A win-win.

Please note that UV-C may be critically dangerous to skin and eyes. To overcome that problem, UV-C lamp should be placed in a black or UV insulating box, where only a small laminar flow of air produced by the fan is exposed to UV-C. The suggested power of such a lamp would be something Now to effects: tiny fractions of ozone would cause a small sedative effect. If the breath is difficult then you may find a tiny amount of O3 more supportive comparing to conventional air mixture which is already a big bonus.

In 17 hours or so of exposure, you are going to feel better, as the consumed concentration is already promises to deactivate a substantial amount of exposed virus material (like 90%).

The good things do not end here, as deactivation rate is exponential and in 34 hours you are going to get 99% of exposed virus material deactivated.

Now to the not so good things: ozone is slightly toxic and you would not be able to use it for too long. 3 days of presumably safe concentration is already close to a stretch. It not only damages viruses and bacteria, it also over-oxidizes human cells which leads to their eventual damage. It is usually felt like a soar throat.

The important points to consider when trying to implement the experiment like this: 1) safe O3 concentration 2) no direct human exposure to UV-C 3) room should be on a smaller side, as it is easier to control (8-20 m2 is a sweet spot) 4) the room should be mostly closed, do not ventilate the room more often than once or twice per 24 hours for short periods of time like 5-10 minutes; note, that you still need an air to breathe, so a "mostly closed room" would not mean a "scientifically firmly closed room".

Did I try this extreme idea myself before publicly suggesting it? Yes, I did. Though for more conventional viruses like seasonal flu. I was never officially diagnosed with Covid-19, but I'm pretty confident I went through it in the middle of February when nobody had a test yet.

The idea may sound controversial to the most of population nowadays. But it surely is effective on viruses as I've experimented with it for 7 years.

I am putting this publicly to spark the minds of researches, including professionals. This is a low hanging fruit so I'm surprised to admit that nobody had tried it before in scientifically controlled environment, with control groups and stuff.

DISCLAIMER: If you do this you do it on your own risk. The large dozes of ozone and UV can be extremely dangerous and may lead to fatal consequences or even death. This is not a scientifically proven treatment of Covid-19.

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