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31% Can’t Pay the Rent: ‘It’s Only Going to Get Worse’

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> through the first five days of April, 31 percent of tenants had so far failed to pay their rent, compared with 18 percent in the same period a year ago. If the headline had said 18%, the situation would have sounded bad to me, but apparently that's normal?

Included in that 18% are people who aren't supposed to pay rent in the first 5 days of a month. Their rent is just due later in the month.

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Start by banning China (and any other country that doesn't allow US citizens to own land) from owning property in the US. Something tells me when you get rid of all the foreign profit lords, that property will be much more affordable in many areas.

How do you make that happen, realistically? "You must sell." "Okay, this 3br house is $10MM. It's not selling." Eminent domain? Are we going to do that for the huge swathes of vacant homes we already have, too?

The government already values homes for the purpose of property taxes.

Re: 31% Can’t Pay the Rent: ‘It’s Only Going to Get Worse’

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>Almost by definition "rent" is simply extracting value from the productive economy through ownership. What? Do you define any profit margin as such? Housing rent is not the same thing as the term 'economic rent'. Housing is as much a liability as an asset. There is risk with owning it. Rent payments are compensation for said risk. All profit is just compensation for risk.

Profit is not compensation for risk. Risk is a limiting factor in chasing after profits, sure, but you can take unprofitable risks, and if you have a particularly privileged position or information, you can make a profit with little to no risk. Hugh Grosvenor, 7th Duke of Westminster doesn't exactly take a lot of risk for his rents.

> Profit is not compensation for risk.

That's not really how the entrepreneur thing is framed.

But isn't it a moral position then ?

Re: 31% Can’t Pay the Rent: ‘It’s Only Going to Get Worse’

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> through the first five days of April, 31 percent of tenants had so far failed to pay their rent, compared with 18 percent in the same period a year ago. If the headline had said 18%, the situation would have sounded bad to me, but apparently that's normal?

Included in that 18% are people who aren't supposed to pay rent in the first 5 days of a month. Their rent is just due later in the month.

In that case the use of the word "failed" is very misleading.

Re: 31% Can’t Pay the Rent: ‘It’s Only Going to Get Worse’

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Hard, sure you have to actually do something and hire people. It’s a pretty basic business. Watch the money going out, manage the tenants coming in.

You're right that it's not an uncharacteristically complicated business, but all businesses are hard! The idea that business owners sit there sipping whiskey, living an unburdened life like an aristocrat, is almost always false.

It can still be an unreasonably comfortable life provided by, proportionally, little effort and, disproportionately, sizeably negative consequences for much of society.

I personally know way too many permutations of 'landlords' to feel comfortable judging them all in a similar way, but I'm still inclined to judge most of them negatively and harshly. Because in most cases, it's just so obvious how their owning and 'rentier' status is not a consequence of 'fairness' or even 'fair competition'.

My landlord got what he had because of his age. Most of my rentier friends have what they have because they inherited it. I'm okay with my landlord because he's disabled in some way and scraping by, but it's still weird that I pay for his entire mortgage + more just because he bought a house at the right time. I'd prefer a situation where I can choose to support him rather than feel, weirdly, as part of the precariat that he can kick out whenever he can benefit more from others paying his mortgage and more of his monthly expenses.

The only reason why he can't and won't do this is that legally there's a limit to how much rent he can ask me.

Anyways, point being, there's something fundamentally iffy about the fact that every single 'rentier' I know acquired this status through nepotism or timing, and not via whatever meritocratic measure one could conjure up.

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Keep reading. Here’s my city. https://www.influenzaarchive.org/cities/city-albany.html# NYC didn’t shut down, but had an active surveillance program to monitor the situation and act. That’s one of the real tragedies of the complete failure of the federal government. Their ineptitude will kill thousands and impoverish millions.

This looks consistent with what I said. The city shut schools, libraries, everywhere that involved indoor public gatherings, but I'm not seeing anything here about bans on private gatherings or general orders to not leave your house.

Spanish Flu and Covid-19 seem comparably lethal. The flu killed 600,000 Americans out of a much lower population and incapacitated many millions more due to illness, plus those caring for them. All of that even with a basic lockdown would cause economic mayhem anyway. There is no magical choice which leads to an un impacted economy. Those cities that did the least suffered the worst anyway, because there is no option to ‘choose the economy’. That’s the real lesson of the Spanish Flu.

Re: 31% Can’t Pay the Rent: ‘It’s Only Going to Get Worse’

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Define viable. You mean a dwelling place that protects you from the elements well enough that they won't even be in the top 50 ways you'll be likely to die statistically? Homeless shelters take care of that and there are other options in between. As for businesses - I know plenty of multi-million dollar businesses that have no need for a brick and mortar, but the business angle isn't even an argument - there's never…

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Ah yes, the newly established internet debater. Fully equipped with "that's a logical fallacy (that you didn't bother naming or explaining because you don't know what you're talking about)" into the standard polite ad hominem (which I will explain because I'm capable of doing so). You see, directing insults at the person rather than attacking their argument is an actual fallacy. Here, I'll even link you to some materials to study up on for your next meaningless argument. With all due respect, of course. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Cheers and I hope you contribute something of substance next time.

Re: 31% Can’t Pay the Rent: ‘It’s Only Going to Get Worse’

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post #54

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>Almost by definition "rent" is simply extracting value from the productive economy through ownership. What? Do you define any profit margin as such? Housing rent is not the same thing as the term 'economic rent'. Housing is as much a liability as an asset. There is risk with owning it. Rent payments are compensation for said risk. All profit is just compensation for risk.

Profit is not compensation for risk. Risk is a limiting factor in chasing after profits, sure, but you can take unprofitable risks, and if you have a particularly privileged position or information, you can make a profit with little to no risk. Hugh Grosvenor, 7th Duke of Westminster doesn't exactly take a lot of risk for his rents.

> Profit is not compensation for risk.

Yes it is. The primary reason anyone takes on risk is because there is profit in it.

Re: 31% Can’t Pay the Rent: ‘It’s Only Going to Get Worse’

#129

I don't get why it's not ok to steal food from a grocery store but it is ok to not pay rent. Both are basic necessities and in both cases you hurt someone else by not paying for service (food/shelter).

It's ok to steal food. If you're hungry.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36190557

Re: 31% Can’t Pay the Rent: ‘It’s Only Going to Get Worse’

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>Almost by definition "rent" is simply extracting value from the productive economy through ownership. What? Do you define any profit margin as such? Housing rent is not the same thing as the term 'economic rent'. Housing is as much a liability as an asset. There is risk with owning it. Rent payments are compensation for said risk. All profit is just compensation for risk.

Then should rents go up? It is now much riskier to be a landlord, risk that is going uncompensated...

It can't go up. And, as a result, many landlords will lose their businesses. This is why it's a "risk." The risk of being a landlord is playing out right now and, as a result, many could stand to lose their business.
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