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Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

#121
I've had lots of ideas like that, things I'd like to do which I never get around to. The one I did go through with and still keep working on it on and off is the one that had a connection to my job.

I worked on a very concurrent system and thought maybe STM would be a nice fit for it. I found the concept of STMs very interesting. And I noticed that, although there were many implementations for .NET, all were one-off projects, not maintained, and in my opinion not very nice to use. So I ended up writing one myself.

I guess that sweet spot for me was having a problem that I dealt with on a daily basis, which gave me the drive and a clear picture of what I'm trying to achieve, and the fact that it was a fun challenge to implement and a learning experience related to a concept that intrigued me. The other ideas I had would mostly have just that second part - they're fun, challenging, but not really solving something I deal with too often.

So, I don't have much experience, I don't have many side projects, but for what it's worth, my advice is to try to find something in your day-to-day which bugs you, and for which you have some interesting idea that you'd like to experiment with.

Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

#122
Yes, all the time, the time left for coding after work is very little, family and friends always take priority.

Some of my hobby coding projects are more than 10 years old by now.

The only ones I managed to stick all the way to the end were side projects that had a real customer at the end, so I had to actually deliver, or face the consequences of having someone really unhappy.

Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

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post #76

I’m just like you. I stumbled upon a book called Refuse to Choose and it’s about a personality type (that is definitely not ADHD) that happens to want to do a lot of things (sometimes in parallel or in sequence). It was very comforting to know others struggle with this and this book helps you to be ok with it. I wouldn’t say it “cured” me but I think about it differently now and use it more to my advantage. Worth a r…

I see a big disconnect between: “ I know! I'll write a roguelike in X! Five minutes later, I'm thinking: fuck roguelikes! I'll write a graphical solitar card game with Y! Five minutes later, I don't care for it anymore, and would rather write an isomorphic strategy game in Z.” And: “If you are no longer interested in a project you started, maybe you already got what you came for.” There is no way that you got what yo…

If you weren’t that serious about making a rogue-like in the first place and what you really wanted was the rush of starting a rogue like project, then sure you got what you came for.

Much like a kid might say they want to be a footballer or musician - what they really want is the fame and recognition of being a footballer, not the 6 hours of intense training every day for years without any fame and glory. We see this much more in tech than we did 10 years ago, because now everyone wants to be a rockstar CEO hacker startup founder making a $1 billion exit at 19.

And in fact in some cases you can suck it up, major in CS, get a prestigious tech job, and then after a few years burn out because you realize you never really liked CS/programming in the first place, you just liked the social stickers that were on it. I’ve seen it happen many times in my career. Often these people will pivot to being PMs or some “tech lite” function and be much happier for it.

The fact that people suck at knowing what they really want doesn’t make the observation any less valid.

What that means is that you have to get really good at knowing what you actually like and enjoy - not what you enjoy on the surface of it not for its own sake, but for some values attached to it.

Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

#124
There is one very simple piece of advice that I have found helps me with this:

finish.

It doesn't matter how small the finish is, but whatever it is, at least get it to a point where you have something finished. If you are writing a book, and you want to switch, finish the outline. If you start a chapter, finish it. If you start an app, have at least a hello world page up.

If you don't feel like working on it now, and a new idea pops up, feel free to start the new idea after you finish. Practice finishing just as much as you have practiced starting.

Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

#125

I’m just like you. I stumbled upon a book called Refuse to Choose and it’s about a personality type (that is definitely not ADHD) that happens to want to do a lot of things (sometimes in parallel or in sequence). It was very comforting to know others struggle with this and this book helps you to be ok with it. I wouldn’t say it “cured” me but I think about it differently now and use it more to my advantage. Worth a r…

In Myers-Briggs they'd call that either the INTP or ENTP type.

Similarly, I'm more interested in research, learning. I'm in the wrong profession.

Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

#126
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do score quite high (total 44, inattentive scale 19, hyperactivity/impulsivity scale 25), yet I'm not convinced: at work I almost always manage to get things done well and in time, and I'm generally considered accomplished by my peers and managers, though maybe strange and over the top.

Yeh. That’s a significant finding. Honestly. People with ADHD can most definitely be productive and generally considered accomplished. They just tend to have put a lot of effort in, their whole lives, in order to get there, and may have developed a lot of cool techniques to get there. Treatment itself is about improving these techniques (and finding helpful medications, the two parts work together.)

Thank you very much.

I'm quite scared of medications, tbh, but I'd very much like to explore improving techniques.

Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

#127
post #76

I’m just like you. I stumbled upon a book called Refuse to Choose and it’s about a personality type (that is definitely not ADHD) that happens to want to do a lot of things (sometimes in parallel or in sequence). It was very comforting to know others struggle with this and this book helps you to be ok with it. I wouldn’t say it “cured” me but I think about it differently now and use it more to my advantage. Worth a r…

I see a big disconnect between: “ I know! I'll write a roguelike in X! Five minutes later, I'm thinking: fuck roguelikes! I'll write a graphical solitar card game with Y! Five minutes later, I don't care for it anymore, and would rather write an isomorphic strategy game in Z.” And: “If you are no longer interested in a project you started, maybe you already got what you came for.” There is no way that you got what yo…

I'm a guy who got diagnosed with ADHD-PI when I was 28 and it instantly made so much of my life make sense. (I went from an unfulfilling career I hated to self-teaching CS and software dev & getting a job in the field within about three years.) And yes, I also got very strong ADHD vibes from this post. Having said that, I'm certainly not a doctor and there are a lot of things besides "can't stick with side projects" that go into a diagnosis.

But if the OP (or others reading) also experiences issues with working memory, losing items like wallets or keys, following directions (not because you dislike them but because you just can't keep them straight), sleep issues (generally, staying up significantly later than average), physical restlessness such as restless legs, forgetting appointments, lots of emotional impulsivity via outbursts, a very strong pull towards stimulating things like reckless driving, dangerous levels of drinking or drug use, etc., among others, they might benefit from discussing with a doctor.

Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

#128
post #76

I’m just like you. I stumbled upon a book called Refuse to Choose and it’s about a personality type (that is definitely not ADHD) that happens to want to do a lot of things (sometimes in parallel or in sequence). It was very comforting to know others struggle with this and this book helps you to be ok with it. I wouldn’t say it “cured” me but I think about it differently now and use it more to my advantage. Worth a r…

I see a big disconnect between: “ I know! I'll write a roguelike in X! Five minutes later, I'm thinking: fuck roguelikes! I'll write a graphical solitar card game with Y! Five minutes later, I don't care for it anymore, and would rather write an isomorphic strategy game in Z.” And: “If you are no longer interested in a project you started, maybe you already got what you came for.” There is no way that you got what yo…

Ignoring the fact that “five minutes” was probably just hyperbole, you can absolutely get what you came for in five minutes. Five minutes is long enough for me to validate an idea from “wouldn’t it be cool to do X?” to “man I really don’t want to do X”. And I’ve just gotten what I came for, validating (or invalidating) an idea.

Just because you have an idea doesn’t mean it’s worth pursuing that idea, especially if it turns out you’re not interested in that idea after all.

Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

#129
No golden bullet for this problem I think but definitely one that is widely shared.

- Get rid of your smartphone and go to a dumb flip phone (avoid distractions).

- Dump your ideas into a system you can review later like [RoamResarch](https://roamresearch.com/),[Trello](trello.com), or a folder with Markdown Files Check out GTD method because these thoughts qualify as something you should dump in your sort bin/inbox bin to go through later. Other things like "I should check the mail", "I should build a fort" all count as distracting tasks to keep track of.

- Meditate and learn to recognize transitive thoughts. I really recommend the [Calm App](https://www.calm.com/) although you really don't need to use an app I found it's [21 Days of Calm by Tamara Levitt] program helped get me started and gave me a handful of techniques to get into a zen state.

- Use [The Pomodoro Technique](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique) to focus on one task at a time and avoid over taxing your focus muscle.

- Build and Keep Track of your Habits. Your habits are extremely important to do deep and meaningful long term work. You need to cultivate them. Check out [The Power of Habit](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055PGUYU)

- All industries that have REALLY important critical life saving tasks use checklists. [HBR: Using a checklist to prevent Failure](https://hbr.org/2010/01/using-checklists-to-prevent-fa.html). I use app.everyday.app to do a Daily Habit Checklist but I did this using a tiny Mole skin for a month and it worked great as well. Side note you made me dig into looking up this thing called [Seinfeld Chaining](https://lifehacker.com/jerry-seinfelds-productivity-secret-2...) and I found out [Seinfeld has nothing to do with it](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ujvrg/jerry_seinfeld...)

Personally all of the things I listed have some type of associated tool but all can be accomplished with a timer, pen, paper ,etc. Don't let yourself get caught up trying to find the "perfect" tool. Just start doing the things so you build the habits. They are far more important.

Re: Ask HN: How can I pick a side project and stick with it?

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post #123
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a big disconnect between: “ I know! I'll write a roguelike in X! Five minutes later, I'm thinking: fuck roguelikes! I'll write a graphical solitar card game with Y! Five minutes later, I don't care for it anymore, and would rather write an isomorphic strategy game in Z.” And: “If you are no longer interested in a project you started, maybe you already got what you came for.” There is no way that you got what yo…

If you weren’t that serious about making a rogue-like in the first place and what you really wanted was the rush of starting a rogue like project, then sure you got what you came for. Much like a kid might say they want to be a footballer or musician - what they really want is the fame and recognition of being a footballer, not the 6 hours of intense training every day for years without any fame and glory. We see thi…

If this is a pattern that persists throughout this individual's life, it's highly correlated with ADHD. We're talking about someone who literally changes their mind within about 5 to 10 minutes, multiple times a day. At least, that's what would happen to me pre-diagnosis.
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