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Re: Omni Group Layoffs

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I'm sorry to hear this. In a subscription model world, Omni stand out in producing very high quality one time purchase software. I love OmniGraffle! Such a great product once you learn it.

> one time purchase software

Probably exactly what brought them to this point.

Re: Omni Group Layoffs

#122

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I don't think subscription is that bad. Development and support is never ending. Single purchase, you also get "single development", and then it dies. At some point the market is not infinite.

Often you don't need more than you have, and its nice to have fixed costs. An example - you buy Photoshop or Lightroom, and they cover 100% of your needs. As long as you can run it, you are happy with what they provide. Well apparently that didn't generate enough cash for Adobe but that's a long story. Tons of businesses uses commercial software with little need of support in form of some patches. Usually toolsuites…

That's right.

Now let say you make photoshop, it's great, people loves it. And most of your customers got it for a fixed price, and they are happy with it.

Now, You want to improve the software and add features that some professionals need.

But most of your customers are happy with previous version. you no longer have a lot of money coming in.

Repeat that a couple times, and now most of your market is happy, and you don't have any money coming in.

And then you close shop. And people wonder why.

Re: Omni Group Layoffs

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This reminds me a lot of presentation slides that I read a few nights ago. I was reading presentation slides from Carnegie Mellon professor Heather Miller about the funding challenges that open source software projects have ( https://2019.programming-conference.org/details/programming-... ). So many people and companies rely on open source infrastructure and productivity tools, and while there are plenty of people co…

What's wrong with the subscription model? Vendors get recurring money and aren't incentivized to make sweeping changes to have major releases to get more money for the same product; consumers can manage cash flow by only paying while they need it, there is a lower barrier to purchase, and vendors have more predictable income.

The mental overhead of renting every piece of software I own would be exhausting, not to mention consistently expensive. Subscriptions come out of a different part of the my budget than purchases do, and it is an ongoing expense I have to factor is versus coming out of my funds once every few years, if I can afford it at that time. There are several pieces of software I would have gladly bought at 2-3 times their annual subscription rate, but instead simply moved on from. I get it. Software developers need to be paid, but I’m not renting every tool I want to use. I also understand I’m in the minority because I understand why there is a new version every few years and would gladly purchase those. Simply put, the overhead and uncertainty of a subscription model devalues the vast majority of software for me to make me find alternatives.

Re: Omni Group Layoffs

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me a lot of presentation slides that I read a few nights ago. I was reading presentation slides from Carnegie Mellon professor Heather Miller about the funding challenges that open source software projects have ( https://2019.programming-conference.org/details/programming-... ). So many people and companies rely on open source infrastructure and productivity tools, and while there are plenty of people co…

What's wrong with the subscription model? Vendors get recurring money and aren't incentivized to make sweeping changes to have major releases to get more money for the same product; consumers can manage cash flow by only paying while they need it, there is a lower barrier to purchase, and vendors have more predictable income.

How do you "subscribe" to open source software?

Re: Omni Group Layoffs

#125

I used to love Omni Graffle. But after spending a bit of time reading about their current product lineup, I can’t stop wondering why they didn’t transition to web apps years ago. Notion, Figma and Whimsical are eating their lunch. They have a far less robust feature base, but they’re fast, built for teams, simple to use and the pricing scales well. On the other hand, Omni is almost entirely native apps, bloated featu…

Re "Notion, Figma and Whimsical", are any of these companies profitable?

UPDATE: Whimsical mentions being profitable as of May last year https://whimsical.com/blog/on-the-path-to-sustainability I’m definitely still curious about the other two.

Re: Omni Group Layoffs

#126
Oh, man. Hate to see this. I used to use OmniGraffle for UX wireframes and diagrams. Very good software. I left the employer that held the license, and honestly, haven't found a replacement that is as fast... especially for diagrams.

Re: Omni Group Layoffs

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I discovered Omni yesterday when League of Legends dumped 20 gB of text logs on my brother’s old MacBook, eating up all available disk space and crashing it. He asked me for help. I didn’t know what was taking up all his disk space so I searched for a tool to help me and found OmniDiskSweeper. Unlike the MacOS builtin tools that try to hide the underlying file system, OmniDiskSweeper actually helped me understand the…

I've used Grand Perspective for this: http://grandperspectiv.sourceforge.net/

I like GrandPerspective too.

Re: Omni Group Layoffs

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post #124

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What's wrong with the subscription model? Vendors get recurring money and aren't incentivized to make sweeping changes to have major releases to get more money for the same product; consumers can manage cash flow by only paying while they need it, there is a lower barrier to purchase, and vendors have more predictable income.

How do you "subscribe" to open source software?

It's time for us to give up on the dream of having good software for free. That's what this whole thread is about. It's a wake-up call for us all. We have to pay for what we value.

Re: Omni Group Layoffs

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me a lot of presentation slides that I read a few nights ago. I was reading presentation slides from Carnegie Mellon professor Heather Miller about the funding challenges that open source software projects have ( https://2019.programming-conference.org/details/programming-... ). So many people and companies rely on open source infrastructure and productivity tools, and while there are plenty of people co…

What's wrong with the subscription model? Vendors get recurring money and aren't incentivized to make sweeping changes to have major releases to get more money for the same product; consumers can manage cash flow by only paying while they need it, there is a lower barrier to purchase, and vendors have more predictable income.

There are definitely some benefits to subscriptions, but returning to the GP, it’s sort of like renting your nail gun. And your compressor. And your tool belt. And your screw driver. At some point it makes sense to own it and stop renting. Renting is very expensive.

Re: Omni Group Layoffs

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me a lot of presentation slides that I read a few nights ago. I was reading presentation slides from Carnegie Mellon professor Heather Miller about the funding challenges that open source software projects have ( https://2019.programming-conference.org/details/programming-... ). So many people and companies rely on open source infrastructure and productivity tools, and while there are plenty of people co…

What's wrong with the subscription model? Vendors get recurring money and aren't incentivized to make sweeping changes to have major releases to get more money for the same product; consumers can manage cash flow by only paying while they need it, there is a lower barrier to purchase, and vendors have more predictable income.

Nothing, at all. There is a downside: every invoice, every payment is a checkpoint where the customer can cancel.
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