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Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
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Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#122VSCode is open source. This is a misleading title
The Visual Studio Code distribution from Microsoft is not open source. Code-OSS is open source and that is the vscode repository on GitHub. The relationship is very much like Chromium and Chrome.
Just that the out-of-the box Open Source VS Code is modified by roughly 5 configuration options (you guessed, telemetry urls), icons and a EULA before it is packaged by Microsoft.
I would not call that closed source. I call that redistributed with pre-configured settings. It is similar to what RedHat is doing to Linux and the GNU user space (if I am not wrong ;))
However, the extension market space, certain debuggers and certain VS Code branded extensions are a different story.
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#123OK, I'll bite... "...that enable developers, organizations, and vendors to create new, extensible solutions that avoid the fees associated with VS Code." What fees are they talking about? VS Code is not my regular editor, but the whole thing seems to indicate confusion between "Visual Studio" and "Visual Studio Code". I am missing something or is the Eclipse Foundation really conflating the two?
On behalf of the Eclipse Foundation, sorry for the mistake. The reference to the “fees” in the draft version of the Theia announcement posted to eclipse.org this morning was not correct. The official press release that was issued this morning removed the incorrect reference to fees. The release on eclipse.org has now been updated to match the official press release here: https://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20200331-theia.php. Our apologies for this discrepancy and any resulting confusion.
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#124Attacking an open-source software to promote another open-source software. You needed to do better dear Eclipse Foundation. This isn't the philosophy behind open-source. edit: Wait. Is this an early April fools' day joke?
while vs is technically open source it's not free software. not only in the gnu sense but also the binaries are licensed different as the source code. You have to compile vs yourself to benefit from the licensing of the source code
The whole purpose of "open source" and "free software" is to allow modifications and ownership by the user. Both requires to compile on your own. So I would not call it a burden (as opposed to "benefit") but a consequence of being open source.
So we should consider the binaries as a branded favor of Microsoft for the lazy rest of us ;)
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#125Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not both? Because you respect your users and know their privacy has value.
I'm interested in your point of view. If I run a query that tells me X hundred thousand users have used feature Y, have I violated anyone's privacy in your opinion? Also, would you think it's better to not collect such non personally identifiable user information at the expense of quality and stability of product?
If I run a query that tells me X hundred thousand users have used feature Y, have I violated anyone's privacy in your opinion?
If you haven't asked them to specifically opt-in to data collection, then yes. And Microsoft does not ask for permission. There are some programs that do a very good job of asking before they send any crash or problem reports. Microsoft is not one of those companies.
non personally identifiable user information
No such animal.
at the expense of quality and stability of product?
One does not necessarily cause the other.
I'm not in the software field, so I'm sure your experience and mine are different. But I work for a multi-billion dollar healthcare company, and the legal department won't let us touch any sort of telemetry with a ten-foot pole. Somehow we're doing just fine, and have a huge satisfaction rate with our user interfaces, according to the studies that have been done for us.
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am guessing the person may not have English as a first language and meant to say 'costs' instead of 'fees'. I am not sure which costs they would be talking about. Perhaps telemetry or the limitations they mention in the article.
I don't that's the issue. The post is credited to: Nichols Communications for the Eclipse Foundation, Inc. Jay Nichols A public relations business based in San Francisco should have that sorted out whether or not the actual author was a native English speaker or not.
It just says media contact. I am not clear if that means they actually wrote it or not?
At the top of the article it says Ottawa (which is where the headquarters of the Eclipse Foundation is located). There are a lot of French speakers around there so I assumed it was a French speaker who wrote it.
Regardless it seems like somebody at Eclipse should have reviewed the memo before it was released.
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#128If it has borrowed any concepts from Eclipse IDE (like workspaces and hidden dirs stuffed with XML)... it’s a hard pass for me.
I'm an active user of both Eclipse CDT and VS Code. They both have a thing called "workspaces." VScode's hidden dirs are filled with JSON (so hot right now).
You mean the .vscode dir? Yeah, that typically contains 2 incredibly sparse , readable, and useful files... the same cannot be said for Eclipse workspaces in my experience.
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I read it, it seemed like the decisionmaking for the software being under corporate control was their primary issue. VS Code will always be developed in a strategy aligned with Microsoft's interests.
Like for most modern open source. And that is usually a good thing. Even free software are not developed in public but under tight control of a group of persons. Just that we call them maintainers, do not pay them and their interest is usually glory or their own use instead of marketing of a cloud product.
There's a big difference between open source tools led by open source communities or individuals and open source tools led by Big Tech. Often the latter may decline features which are against the interests of the company, even if they're in the interests of all of the users.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not ? You have a problem with extra options that you don't have to use ?
Wasted human resources and talents. Progress would be more prevalent if HRs were better allocated. But they are indeed free to work on whatever they like even if I will not benefit from their work, sadly.
Not wasted. Those people will learn a lot of new things, right ?
Should work optimization be primary goal in this universe ? I guess not, or you will have hard time defending existence of movies, board/PC games, all sports, all baletristic writing etc. That is not very interesting place to be.