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Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by chvid »

ceejayoz wrote: post #102
Lewton wrote: post #73

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It’s amazing that anyone can still be in doubt about drastic measures being necessary when we have Italy as an example of what can happen

Still seeing lots of "this is just the media blowing things out of proportion" posts on local news Facebook pages. As if China can be explained that way.

Just to be clear.

I have no opinion on whether this is blown out of proportion.

I can just see that my own country is choosing the most extreme measures (packaged in nationalistic rhetorics) where as our neighbours are not.

The idea that the population should be sampled so the exact extent of the spread can be measured (and so can the effect of the various policies) is not mine. Here is a Danish doctor calling for the same:

https://www.altinget.dk/artikel/overlaege-regeringens-corona...

In Danish. Headline: The Government's Corona-strategy misses focus on the engine of the epidemic

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by chvid »

rasz wrote: post #118
chvid wrote: post #39

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Here in Denmark we have just shut our borders. You can no longer enter as Swede. We as nation put on extreme measures but there is no visibility. What is the true number of infected in Denmark? There is no sampling or systematic measurement going on. We probably know less than you guys in Sweden yet we choose the most extreme actions. We just had our PM go on national TV and call on all Danes to return to Denmark as…

>We as nation put on extreme measures sarcasm? or heard on TV to calm the population? This is how extreme measures look like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpHD9bjGe0 Denmark is negligent, as is rest of Europe.

I don't know what Denmark is but I am worried.

Three weeks ago our PM was busy playing petty political games with the opposition, today she is shutting down our borders preventing all foreigners entering the country.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by Lewton »

aboodman wrote: post #82
chvid wrote: post #58

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Depends on why the increase in cases? Just because succesfully traced and identified a group of cases, it doesn't tell you anything about the growth in the true number of infected. There are 10 people in hospitals in Denmark for COVID19. None dead. By the publicised numbers Sweden is hit about the same as Denmark; yet they choose a much more moderate approach.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_D... , it's 23 in hospital vs 801 total identified cases. That a hospitalization rate of only 2.8%. I wonder what accounts for the massive discrepancy from other countries.

Amount of people tested, age of people infected and time

So far the people infected skews fairly young

And the pandemic took hold around Tuesday and it takes about a week for hospitalization to be required in the severe cases

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by alkonaut »

rasz wrote: post #119
alkonaut wrote: post #77

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Sweden did pretty well to scale from zero to ten test labs in just a couple of weeks though. I read thats more labs than can do the same in the US.

Are you suggesting Sweden had zero labs with PCR machines couple of weeks ago? Is that official propaganda in media right now?

No, that’s in no way what I’m suggesting.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by ceejayoz »

ggffryuuj wrote: post #111
ceejayoz wrote: post #105

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> Unlike influenza viruses, these viruses don’t mutate in a way that would cause their recurrence every year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_coronavirus_OC43 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_coronavirus_229E Both of these viruses do exactly that. They're among the many that give us colds. "Coronaviruses have a worldwide distribution, causing 10–15% of common cold cases. Infections show a seasonal pattern with…

Rhinovirus is responsible for the common cold, not corona virus. I have no idea how that article doesn’t mention that. The corona viruses you link to do not change year to year in a way that evades the immune system like influenza does. And there is no evidence that this corona virus changes in the way that influenza does. If you have evidence that it does, then post it. This is just unbelievable. Here I am citing a…

> Rhinovirus is responsible for the common cold, not corona virus.

https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus

> Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV).

I'm done here.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by Swenrekcah »

tathougies wrote: post #80
Swenrekcah wrote: post #49

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Sure, but he’s saying it wasn’t market forces that motivated them but their sense of civic duty. That is something that “the market” often lacks in their relentless pursuit of shareholder value.

> That is something that “the market” often lacks in their relentless pursuit of shareholder value. This is nuts. The market doesn't pursue shareholder value. Corporations do. However, the market, which consists of consumers and small producers as much as corporations, certainly does not always, as is seen in consumers (and frankly corporations as well) oftentimes irrational behavior.

I concur that my statement is not entirely accurate, but if we apply the same nuance to the general sentiment I was replying to, surely we will conclude that we should absolutely not rely upon “the market” to prepare for and carry out disaster response.

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

colmvp wrote: post #7
desert_boi wrote: post #4

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It was announced that Idaho could test 800 to 1000 people. Not a day, total. The state has a population of 1.8 million people. It is the only state with no confirmed cases besides West Virginia, as of this morning. > It takes anywhere from hours to days to get test results. A doctor with a patient in Boise could have results in a matter of hours, because of proximity to the state laboratory. But samples that go to pr…

Meanwhile in Oklahoma: > The coronavirus tests run on the Utah Jazz’s players and team employees came from a good portion of the state of Oklahoma’s supply. > The 50-plus tests that were run on the Jazz’s traveling party after Rudy Gobert tested positive for COVID-19 were from the state and not a private lab. And the number of tests run on Jazz players represents over half of the state’s daily peak capacity testing l…

State and municipal governments have invested heavily in professional sports teams with payback coming only via economic activity from their games being played. From the state's point of view, they're protecting their investment and trying to get it generating revenue again. Of course these "investments" in sports teams by state and local governments are about as logical as investing in lottery scratch off tickets but politicians love getting their governments entangled with the finances of the local pro sports team and being able to boast to sports loving voters that they're the reason why the town has a team.

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Post by ecf »

dba7dba wrote: post #113

I don't have the link but I read Seegene is providing about 80% of the coronavirus test kits used in Korea currently. 1. CNN article (March 12, 2020) on Seegene https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-... The CNN text article is actually pretty good article and also the video is good. The company reports they used AI to speed up the development. They were able to accomplish it in 2 - 3 weeks with…

For #3, it’s because the contract for making the official test for the US is going to be awarded to a friend of someone in the committee, and they have to wait for said friend to have tests ready.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by ggffryuuj »

ceejayoz wrote: post #125
ggffryuuj wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rhinovirus is responsible for the common cold, not corona virus. I have no idea how that article doesn’t mention that. The corona viruses you link to do not change year to year in a way that evades the immune system like influenza does. And there is no evidence that this corona virus changes in the way that influenza does. If you have evidence that it does, then post it. This is just unbelievable. Here I am citing a…

> Rhinovirus is responsible for the common cold, not corona virus. https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus > Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). I'm done here.

Not a single shred of evidence or a single claim that corona viruses mutate in a similar manner to influenza. You are indeed done. Perhaps you could spread the word? Not make the panic worse?

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Post by feistypharit »

ggffryuuj wrote: post #109
jariel wrote: post #108

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" I’m sorry to be blunt but there simply isn’t anything to brace for." This is appallingly wrong. If you're commenting here on HN and referring to legit medical sources, then you're also smart enough to see what has happened in Wuhan and Italy where hospitals are completely overwhelmed, where triaging is leaving many people without any care . Over 65? Comorbidities? Sorry, 'just die' or hopefully not, is the medical…

Appalling. That’s so funny. The morbidity rate is far less than 3%. Most people who get it probably don’t even realize they have it which makes the numbers look worse than they are. Look I’m not saying nothing should be done. If nothing were done the. We might see something that vaguely resembles what you are describing. If people wouldn’t panic and if antibiotics were prescribed remotely and if people did a few basi…

Antibiotics don't work for viruses!
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