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Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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post #107

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If you honestly believe that Trump is in any way on the same "corruption level" as any previous sitting President you're delusional. I'm sorry that reality is getting in the way of the narrative, but it's fairly obvious that he's far worse than any side has elected within living memory. Maybe Nixon is a distant second?

Partisanship bias confirmed! Obama had plenty of evidence of corruption, and that's just ONE past president. - Benghazi - Ordering IRS to target conservative groups - AP Phone Records Scandal - Obamacare / You can keep your doctor - NSA PRISM Surveillance System - ATF Fast and Furious - Rosengate - Holder committing perjury multiple times - VP Biden forcing Ukraine to fire that prosecutor... If you haven't heard of s…

Anyone who has the desire to downvote things like this is just underscoring the point.

If you can't let a critical word about your side stand without the desire to snub it out, then you're not thinking independently.

Debate and discuss reasonable criticism. Don't snub it out. That's the core problem in today's hyper-partisan world.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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post #114
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partisanship bias confirmed! Obama had plenty of evidence of corruption, and that's just ONE past president. - Benghazi - Ordering IRS to target conservative groups - AP Phone Records Scandal - Obamacare / You can keep your doctor - NSA PRISM Surveillance System - ATF Fast and Furious - Rosengate - Holder committing perjury multiple times - VP Biden forcing Ukraine to fire that prosecutor... If you haven't heard of s…

Except that ... Benghazi was an error, no corruption ; the IRS did not target conservative groups, Obamacare did not mandate you change doctors in any way .. Normally I assume it is stupidity rather than malice, but now ...

Casually state talking points as fact without citation. Proceed to call the commenter stupid and malicious. Projection perhaps?

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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post #114
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partisanship bias confirmed! Obama had plenty of evidence of corruption, and that's just ONE past president. - Benghazi - Ordering IRS to target conservative groups - AP Phone Records Scandal - Obamacare / You can keep your doctor - NSA PRISM Surveillance System - ATF Fast and Furious - Rosengate - Holder committing perjury multiple times - VP Biden forcing Ukraine to fire that prosecutor... If you haven't heard of s…

Except that ... Benghazi was an error, no corruption ; the IRS did not target conservative groups, Obamacare did not mandate you change doctors in any way .. Normally I assume it is stupidity rather than malice, but now ...

"IRS Apologizes For Aggressive Scrutiny Of Conservative Groups"

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-...

Clinton blamed Benghazi on a YouTube Video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtWTQ9AzwEk

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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post #114
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partisanship bias confirmed! Obama had plenty of evidence of corruption, and that's just ONE past president. - Benghazi - Ordering IRS to target conservative groups - AP Phone Records Scandal - Obamacare / You can keep your doctor - NSA PRISM Surveillance System - ATF Fast and Furious - Rosengate - Holder committing perjury multiple times - VP Biden forcing Ukraine to fire that prosecutor... If you haven't heard of s…

Except that ... Benghazi was an error, no corruption ; the IRS did not target conservative groups, Obamacare did not mandate you change doctors in any way .. Normally I assume it is stupidity rather than malice, but now ...

>>IRS did not target conservative groups

Then why did lois lerner plead the 5th?

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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The government caused the phone monopoly and the slap on the risk had nothing to do with Microsoft's missteps when it came to the internet and later mobile. Microsoft still has the same dominance on the desktop that they had during the 90's.

The action in the 90's wasn't to break up their desktop dominance, it was to prevent them using that power to dominating the internet too.

That might have been their goal, but do you really think that it had anything to do with the rise of Google, Facebook, Amazon and the resurgence of Apple?

What had more effect on IE being toppled by Chrome, the government or the most popular website advertising it on their front page and bundling it with third party downloads?

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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This is the absolute reason why Dart, Flutter and Fuchsia exist. You can now imagine that if a loss from Google in this lawsuit were to happen, it would mean royalties in the billions for Oracle which Google won't pay for, or at least for a long time for Android. So an option is to migrate the Android ecosystem onto Fuchsia to rid of the Oracle royalty fees and own the ecosystem without anyone else looking to sue you…

Ironically, Samsung invested in Tizen development for a minute so they would have their own backup in case Android was no longer viable. And it's also amusing that the Dart-skeptics now see there is at least one legal reason to justify Google's continued development of Flutter.

Tizen is still a thing though, just not in the smart phone space.

Tons of smart TVs are shipped with Tizen. Last smart watch that uses Tizen is shipped in 2018.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Both. 50 years of people cynically saying "all politicians are crooks". And now we have legitimate sleazeballs running the country and nobody believes it. On the one hand, Google is huge and needs competition. On the other hand: not this way. Antitrust and monopoly laws exist for a reason, but if you look at telephones in the 80's and microsoft & intel in the 90's, better lawyers get you around that. We need trustbus…

One of the most jarring things about the impeachment saga was Trump supporters defending him by saying "all presidents do it". Fundamentally the issue is norms are easy to break if a bunch of people don't know what they are and don't care enough to find out.

You may be missing the point. When you look past the double standard, the criminality (collusion, corruption, embezzlement, lies, favorable pardons and lack of prosecution) is disproportionately on one side.

And of course there’s the tiny detail that Trump had to conquer the corruption of the Republican Party first to even broach the Democrats. See all the #nevertrump senators that prioritized #resisting Trump in spite of their constituents and his support amongst the party.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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post #6

I did not follow every step, but assuming Oracle win this, will it also apply to Amazon proposing DocumentDB with the same API that MongoDB ?

And Windows, whose APIs are from OS/2's Presentation Management layer. And Linux/OS X, many of whose APIs are from Unix! I don't know where Oracle thinks the madness should end, and I don't think they care.

Go back to the Phoenix BIOS. The original IBM BIOS interface would be covered by this, I expect. So if IBM could prevent BIOS clones, we never would have had the PC-compatible business, and IBM would have been able to prevent PCs from ever being powerful enough to encroach on their mainframe business (apart from Apple, I guess). Since copyright expires after 95 years, we could have had PC clones starting in... 2076.

I prefer the way our industry evolved without interfaces being copyrightable.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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I feel like in a normal presidential administration the support of the president is great for companies. With this administration it's a liability.

Please define what a "normal presidential administration" looks like.

One that has more bi-partisan buy in, and just generally less controversial. Basically every administration in the last 50 years except for Nixon post-watergate, and Trump.
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