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Post by adamsea »

cdoxsey wrote: post #75
grumple wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It includes people from all over the world. US skilled salaries are usually 2x+ (not just for tech, but also things like healthcare) salaries in Europe. Remember they have social safety nets and lower costs for things like education and healthcare, we do not. Also this list has a very small sample size, and very few people from big tech, otherwise the pay would skew significantly higher.

The US has social safety nets. Nearly half the federal budget is spent on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And there are numerous other programs: unemployment, housing assistance, snap, etc. There are also state and local programs as well as private charities.

We definitely have safety nets. Ours just cost more and give less.

To be fair we are also a much larger country with more diversity (especially of culture) than many countries with robust social safety nets.

Basically what I want to know is, if I don’t have health insurance through my employer, make $50K a year, and get cancer, what happens? I don’t know for sure but here in the US I’m guessing the answer would be mountains of debt.

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Post by senordevnyc »

xenihn wrote: post #118
senordevnyc wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a little out of date, but doesn’t seem to be the case: https://www.revealnews.org/article/heres-the-clearest-pictur...

Come see it for yourself. I can get you into a bunch of the biggest offices & campuses through friends.

I work at a big tech company and I have friends at many others. What you’re reporting does not match my experience, theirs, the data, or common sense. These companies are constantly getting flak for low diversity. If white men were a clear minority, they’d be shouting it from the rooftops. What you observe in your day to day is a poor barometer for the overall diversity of an entire industry.

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Post by Swizec »

tnolet wrote: post #35
j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

Yes. This is the same vibe I got. A dick measuring contest between the 1% SV based software developers. But wrapped in a “help the world” message. The information is fascinating though. And we could have misread the subtext.

As someone who moved from eastern-ish europe to SV I can tell you that these threads help.

In the olden days of HN around 2010 I always used to think “Wait why do those folks make 5x what I make? I’m just as good and know just as much”

And the answer was “Because those companies make more or at least get more investment so the value delivered is higher”

I moved. Now I put more into savings every year than my just as talented peers back home make in total salary.

Edit: many of those peers freelance remotely for US companies and also have very healthy savings. It’s the ones who stayed fully local that are screwed

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Post by senordevnyc »

metalforever wrote: post #115
senordevnyc wrote: post #30

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It’s really not that bad. I just took a job in NYC at Square making $420k my first year (though stock price increase is already pushing that closer to $500k) and my rent is $4300 for a 2 bedroom in a doorman building in manhattan. It’s expensive, but only about 10% of my gross income. Once you include my wife’s income, it’s even less of a big deal (and she makes under six figures). You might consider CA a hellscape f…

Um is this a realistic salary in NYC

If you’re a senior engineer working at a public tech company, yes.

To be clear, this is total comp. About half is base and the rest is equity.

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Post by iamben »

scarface74 wrote: post #76
j7ake wrote: post #44

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Thanks for the info, I guess I should read more into it and educate myself.

I really hate meta discussions, but that being said, I’m going to do it anyway. It’s rare on a discussion forum that a thread goes from - righteous indignation - clarifying non insulting reply - reply with a genuine question - reply with a genuine answer. - the original poster admits that they should learn more. I had to commend both of you.

Yeah, this kind of thing is what's kept me returning (daily) to HN for the last ten years, and only sporadically using Reddit etc.

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Post by danlugo92 »

scarface74 wrote: post #102
Bogdanp wrote: post #3

I know these people willingly shared this information in public, but, for whatever reason, this compilation makes me uncomfortable. EDIT to clarify: what makes me uncomfortable about this is not the broad range of salaries. I don't find that surprising at all. It's gathering all this information together and associating it with people's names (and complete bios!) that bothers me. Some of them may find they want to de…

I don’t talk about my salary with current coworkers, but I talk about salary openly to former coworkers in my same area and friends who I know make about the same or more than I do. Nothing can come good out of sharing my salary with current coworkers.

>Nothing can come good out of sharing my salary with current coworkers.

Care to expand?

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Post by badfrog »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #92
theredlion wrote: post #43

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That's an interesting question. I'm personally aware of several large companies in my area which, due to diversity pressure, blatantly discriminate in favor of minorities and women. The performance required from a white man in an interview for the same job is higher. That is to say that a white man will be openly discarded in favor of a minority/woman with a similar background when applying for the same job. This is…

I’m at a 1000 person org and this is also how we hire. We have KPIs for “diversity” and the entire company gets a huge bonus when we meet all our targets, so there is a incentive all the way from the CEO to panel ICs.

Diversity goals don't necessarily imply discrimination against non-minorities. There are many completely reasonable ways to work toward such goals.

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Post by badfrog »

throwaway3157 wrote: post #119
iso1210 wrote: post #53

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My company did a pan-company investigation into how much people were being paid, and found that in every job title Women were being paid on average 30% less then men. With that in hand it's clear that it makes more sense to employ women.

I’ve heard 30% in another anecdote once. Was this same role or across roles? It would be hard to compare Apple to Oranges

> Was this same role or across roles?

OP said their number is by "job title". Is that not the same as "role"?

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Post by nagyf »

bobmaxup wrote: post #14

I am terribly underpaid.

Me too. I’m working at a FAANG company and apparently I could make 100k more. I was relocating for this job and I wasn’t really prepared for the negotiation, totally screwed it up, and I think they gave me the minimum they could. Oh the bright side, it’s still a good salary for me and I earn enough for two person to live comfortably.
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