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Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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Toothless fines. Indict corporate officers or employees that did it... then you’ll get change.

This is civil law, not criminal. Maybe criminal liability s needed, but it’s just not reality. Also: beware what you wish for. Criminal law may allow your bloodlust to be satisfied. But it’s just as likely that the higher burden of proof it requires, and various other differences such as the 5th amendment, make prosecution difficult or impossible.

Not to mention when you accidentally leave some data out there with a misconfigured server you’d maybe go to jail, but in their outrage people don’t think it could happen to them, or be used by someone with other goals.

Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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The saddest thing about this is that my bank no longer requires notification for international travel, but still does for travel within the US. I've had my card shut off for fraud a few times while traveling in the US. Once when I had almost no gas and was outside of cell service, thanks for that. This is presumably due to all transactions outside of the US requiring chip, but those in the US only requiring swipe.

Switch banks? I have never once had American Express decline a charge domestic or international. Highly recommend!

carry cash? no one is going to not accept that

Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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> The FCC really has become just a lobbying goat under Pai. Yikes. Who could’ve predicted that, given he was a lobbyist for Verizon.

Fair, though Tom Wheeler (previous chairman) was also a lobbyist and he turned out really well.

What does a lobbyist even do? I can't even imagine the scene, they go in a politician's office and just start with "ok hear me out" or am I being naive and it just means finding ways to pay them money?

Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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Switch banks? I have never once had American Express decline a charge domestic or international. Highly recommend!

carry cash? no one is going to not accept that

Gas pumps will sometimes work after hours even if a clerk isn’t on duty. Same with other self service situations where a card might be your only payment option. Carrying cash is a last resort; you risk losing it or not having enough.

Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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Fair, though Tom Wheeler (previous chairman) was also a lobbyist and he turned out really well.

What does a lobbyist even do? I can't even imagine the scene, they go in a politician's office and just start with "ok hear me out" or am I being naive and it just means finding ways to pay them money?

I always assumed there was a lot of talking. Most politicians are inclined to want to help businesses anyway, as they provide jobs and generate tax revenue. If the lobbyist can come in and say “here’s what the cell phone providers nationwide need to stay in business and continue to generate good returns to shareholders and low prices to customers,” then that’s a powerful message - especially when the counter-argument is a pile of faxes and postcards from constituents that don’t tell a coherent story.

The money certainly doesn’t hurt, though.

Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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I'm more worried when I CAN'T buy that data - because then I have no idea what they're holding onto (for private deals, either with corps, defense contractors, .gov, etc).

You don't have to buy it. It's free: https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout

Surely they wouldn't collect, or create data based on, things that aren't here!

/s

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NSA monitors foreign traffic.

On paper. How do you know it’s foreign? That’s why they warehouse it. As much as they can. Figure out if it’s foreign later on. Don’t underestimate the laws they will skirt to collect data.

You have a boner for the NSA. Seek help.

Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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IIRC, Google doesn't sell your personal location data: https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/ Disclaimer: I work at Google.

That may be true. But Google created the entire damned infrastructure and environment which makes precisely that effect possible, no matter how thinly you slice the hairs on what it is you call the practice.

Sorta an odd take in a thread about telecom companies selling data gathered by the telecom networks that they built.
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