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The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They tell you to switch off the device's broadcast functionality ("airplane mode"). Something they don't need for navigating with an iPad as it's just offline maps / apps).

Besides, what if they did? You think you need to use your device just because the pilot is?

> You think you need to use your device [...]

No I don't, I just brought that up because OP was confused why the pilot can use their device while "normal" passengers can't.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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The issue is the entrance into split-view, which should expose the springboard, not the dock. The intuitive way to launch a second app would be to slide in from the right or left with two (three?) fingers, which would expose a compressed view of the springboard in split view. Then you could access all the apps intuitively (by swiping to the next page of apps) and launch the second app in the intuitive click-an-app me…

Yes yes yes. I’ve often wondered why they didn’t do this. Having to go through silly hoops like full exit back to the spring board to launch an app so that it is available in the dock to pick for split view... why not just use the springboard in the first place.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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My main gripe is that Apple chose to very aggressively kill or sleep apps running in the background.

I can understand this from a battery perspective but why not give us an option to let certain apps run in the background, especially when the iPad is plugged in to power.

As an example, if I start a download in Safari, I can’t use a different app until Safari finishes the download. I could use split-screen but who wants to watch a video I split screen.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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post #105

Slide Over is one of the best features out there. And it’s as simple as can be. You get what amounts to a mini iPhone available on command. And split screen is not only very useful, I think it’s a fundamentally better multitasking model that the traditional desktop OS for screens under 23” or so. I agree that adding apps to multitasking seems to baffle people. But this seems like it can

Speaking of mini iphone... I have so many iPhone only apps that I wish I could run in the “mini iPhone split” next to whatever else I am doing rather than forcing them to take over the whole screen with an iPhone sized picture in the middle.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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The software is important, but the real reason for the iPad's existence is the physical aspects.

Form is function.

Bigger than phone, touched orientated versus keyboard/mouse mac.

That's also whythe physically 'panic' home button was very good.

Personally the most interesting feature of the iPad these days is the pen - a way of physically interacting with the computer that's different.

At the end of the day, the 'user interface' isn't just software it's physical. Whether it be touch, voice, pen, or keyboard.

One of the problems with the more 'advanced' UI features/gestures is that they don't anchor in the physical - you have no idea it existed or why the software responded in that way.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Good points in the article. I also find the model names weirdly confusing, how did the iPad become the smaller, less powerful variant when the Air still exists? They did this with MacBooks too, though I think the tiny one may be discontinued now.

And why is the iPad peripheral system such a mess? The released the pencil 2 which is a significant usability improvement and had every indication of replacing the pencil 1, but that was years ago and they keep releasing new pencil 1 only devices, while just calling both of them “Apple Pencil” in many places. If you want a good pencil now, there’s no way to buy a moderately specced machine with it, you have to pay for the pro with more compute power than a high end laptop.

And ipads now have full usb host support, but instead of marketing that as a perk, they kind of pretend it doesn’t exist by calling it the “camera kit” like it only has one specific use.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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>By 1994 almost all graphic designers and illustrators were using computers for work. The iPad is a great device but, it isn't essential to anything or anyone. If tomorrow there where no iPads anymore, we would all just get on with our lives.

If all of them disappeared into thin air one night then nearly the entire global aviation system would come to a screeching halt. It’s the device of choice among air carriers for navigation charts. Paper backup isn’t even carried anymore. We just carry extra iPads and batteries. I’m not sure any of the charting apps used by air carriers are even available on another OS at this point. I’ve never been aware of JeppFD P…

not just pilots, I see them in use by nearly every service person who comes to the house and even at work. they are just the right size for easy reading, the lack of keyboard removes a major breaking point if not cleanliness issues. throw in they just give a modern and sleek vibe to any organization employing them versus pen and paper.

plus they make it easy for customers to sign for services which in turn makes it easier for businesses to know that the work was done. toss in CC readers that attach easily and you have a simple POS device

if anything the amount of waste that would come back into our lives without them would be staggering

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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post #123

My main gripe is that Apple chose to very aggressively kill or sleep apps running in the background. I can understand this from a battery perspective but why not give us an option to let certain apps run in the background, especially when the iPad is plugged in to power. As an example, if I start a download in Safari, I can’t use a different app until Safari finishes the download. I could use split-screen but who wan…

>if I start a download in Safari, I can’t use a different app until Safari finishes the download.

If true, that's surprising. I thought Safari initiates a background download.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

#129

Good points in the article. I also find the model names weirdly confusing, how did the iPad become the smaller, less powerful variant when the Air still exists? They did this with MacBooks too, though I think the tiny one may be discontinued now. And why is the iPad peripheral system such a mess? The released the pencil 2 which is a significant usability improvement and had every indication of replacing the pencil 1,…

The first generation pencil wasn’t bad and it works with all iPads now.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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post #96
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The worst thing is that the forced over-simplification of the UI features did not make it easier to use for beginners. I believe Gruber argues completely the opposite: that the recent changes to add features like split screen make it more confusing (e.g. the example of his mother getting stuck in the split screen and calling him). He continues in the very article we comment here (emphasis mine): "if I could go back…

+1 I still haven’t figured out how to get split screen reliably and every time. But I don’t find a need for split screen either. A few times, I tried I had to google how to get split screen then I gave up. Also, sometime I automagically get split screen and can’t figure out how to get rid of it. Usually land up just closing apps in split screen and restarting apps.

Two extremely useful use cases of mine:

- drawing in Procreate with reference material in the split.

- learning a song by singing + playing it on the guitar with chords and lyrics displayed, with it playing in Music† at the same time (on repeat + seek readily accessible)††

† I find it infuriating that no other music app than Music has considered split a possibility.

†† I'm aware there's a "Play" thing in Ultimate Guitar but it's absolute crap, playing a YouTube version that often doesn't match, obscures the sheet with a PIP, and is terrible to make repeat/seek. This is a perfect use case of functional composability using split screen.

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