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The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Post by m_eiman »

CrazyStat wrote: post #103
markdown wrote: post #56

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> I would wager that 95% of web users do not even know that IA exist You are far too optimistic. It's probably more like 99.999999%

> 99.999999% That would mean only 80-odd people know about IA, which seems a tad low :P

> 99.999999%

That would mean only 80-odd people know about IA, which seems a tad low :P

I suppose that means that for most people, 99.9999% of the world's population don't know they exist. Interesting thought. I wonder which living person is known of by the largest percentage, and what that percentage is?

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Post by dingaling »

flxy wrote: post #76
stubish wrote: post #74

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Is this happening? Actual question if there is someone here who measures this sort of thing. .io seems to have been accepted by the tech community, as the place to go when you can't get your .com or .net. Maybe .ai too. Are there any new gTLDs gaining acceptance in the wider community?

.gg has seen decent adoption in newer gaming related sites. But that's the only one I can think of right now.

Not only is .gg expensive but phonetically awkward on the telephone, something I didn't consider when registering my main domain years ago.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Post by philpem »

dingaling wrote: post #122
flxy wrote: post #76

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.gg has seen decent adoption in newer gaming related sites. But that's the only one I can think of right now.

Not only is .gg expensive but phonetically awkward on the telephone, something I didn't consider when registering my main domain years ago.

Every time I see a ".gg" domain, I read it out as "gee-gee" -- a colloquial term for a horse...

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Post by philpem »

Rels wrote: post #85
ketzo wrote: post #26

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I mean, it's easy to justify: "Our organization does good work with the money we have." "We could do more good work, or better work, with more money." "Therefore investments/endowments we receive should be invested inwards, to increase the amount of money we have available with which to do good work." You can see, of course, how this kind of cycle could become more about the money than the good work.

Exactly. And that's actually how the .org sell was justified. From http://www.circleid.com/posts/20191127_why_i_voted_to_sell_o... : "This transaction will put that bigger mission on a solid footing — so that the Internet Society can provide much more substantive help to nonprofits than merely leasing domain names, and with more continuity over time. While it's true that running .org provided a relatively steady inco…

Sounds like how the sale of a large chunk of the amateur radio IP space allocation (AMPRNet) was justified, too.

http://www.arrl.org/news/millions-of-amprnet-internet-addres...

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Post by philpem »

jascii wrote: post #32

Sigh, I am flabbergasted at my own lack of outrage. Not to long ago something like this would have me all up in arms, now it seems like just another nail in the coffin of democracy..

With so much to be outraged about, we're all burned out on outrage... to put it another way, the battery's in dire need of a recharge.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Post by C1sc0cat »

munk-a wrote: post #60
swiley wrote: post #35

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I have some familiarity with the .com/.net stuff Yes the registry is incredibly cheap to run, it’s the name servers themselves that are so expensive (from what I understand this is partially due to uptime requirements.)

Can you clarify a bit here? I believe most people, when executing a name look up, will usually just end up talking to one of a battery of ISP provided DNS servers. So while the registry's name servers need to feed those servers (and probably be heavily redundant and reliable) they wouldn't actually end up handling an insane amount of traffic. I'm actually a bit curious now if there are any sorts of requirements on ho…

I worked for a Registry (.coop) and sat next to the lead, interestingly we (poptel) also bid for .org back in the day and lost to the shysters that are selling out

Your right you have to have multiply redundant systems in four continents with everything running on HA kit with auto switch over diverse routing for power and data and I think hot standbys as well.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Post by C1sc0cat »

philsnow wrote: post #31
dr_dshiv wrote: post #16

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But why not just get a .club extension? Shouldn't .orgs be reserved for big orgs?

no, .org is reserved for organizations that aren't dedicated to making money. size isn't relevant. let me turn the question around: why should Ethos get .org? make them drum up support for some new TLD. This is purely, purely a cash grab, allowed by regulatory capture, and it should be stopped.

No its not its anything else, this was one of the problems in the process before this one.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Post by type0 »

oaiey wrote: post #13
dr_dshiv wrote: post #11

Can someone explain the issue? Currently, anyone can buy a .org. I imagine that this company will charge more money for .orgs in exchange for some verification procedure. Compare this to today, where anyone can buy .orgs for any reason: it might be a public good if there is some authentication and prestige. NGOs and non-profits have money. Paying $100 a year to maintain a verified "I'm not a company" status might be…

The UNHCR or another huge entity will not give a shit. They have a legal department which can end Ethos Capital if they like. However, the reading club with 20 members and yearly income of 300€ cannot afford a 100€ .org. .org and the PIR had a dedicated purpose.

> However, the reading club with 20 members and yearly income of 300€ cannot afford a 100€ .org.

Correct, I already seen that happen where smaller club shut down their web page because a hosting provider was unreliable. Since the lack of funds and expertise to move their WP site they now use facebook instead.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Post by rjmunro »

aabbcc1241 wrote: post #95

Could this situation be improved/eliminated when we move from TCP/IP to NDN (Named Data Network)? In NDN, you don't request data from a specific host, hence no need to specify the receiving machine's IP, indeed, you send the packet to a p2p network, another with certain data / signature can answer your request.

So what does a URL look like in this system? E.g. If I have put up a poster on a wall somewhere, what do I say instead of "Visit www.example.org for more details"?

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Post by goodmachine »

iameli wrote: post #4

> Verisign controls the registries for .com and .net, two of the internet’s most popular. All it does is administer a database and collect small sums from website owners, but with computing power rising and practically no marginal cost to adding another website to the database, the entire enterprise is a license to print money. In the third quarter of 2019, Verisign showed operating income of $205.6 million on $308.4…

> the entire enterprise is a license to print money

Correct

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=fin&q=NASDAQ:+QQQ&stick=H4...

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