Video Gaming Will Take Over • Hacker News Board

Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by diegoperini » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:17 AM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #27

Pfhreak wrote: post #6

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> FPS gaming with a keyboard and mouse isn't coming with you on your phone for the morning commute, and no amount of technology is going to change that because the main barrier is you won't want to play that game on your morning commute with a bunch of people around you, noise, and being unable to immerse yourself (even for reasons as simple as needing to remember to get off at your stop). PUBG and Fortnite are both…

I was going to say the same thing except with Call of Duty as my example. Having never played an FPS on my phone, I had to download Call of Duty to see how it worked, being a heavy kb+m FPS player in my youth. Played a dozen or so rounds in a couple weeks. It worked surprisingly well with plenty of skill gap between the players. A couple years ago I also tried a MOBA on my phone wondering how that could possibly work…

If Witcher 3 is possible on mobile (see Nintendo Switch), then everything else is also. :)

Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:19 AM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #27

Pfhreak wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FPS gaming with a keyboard and mouse isn't coming with you on your phone for the morning commute, and no amount of technology is going to change that because the main barrier is you won't want to play that game on your morning commute with a bunch of people around you, noise, and being unable to immerse yourself (even for reasons as simple as needing to remember to get off at your stop). PUBG and Fortnite are both…

I was going to say the same thing except with Call of Duty as my example. Having never played an FPS on my phone, I had to download Call of Duty to see how it worked, being a heavy kb+m FPS player in my youth. Played a dozen or so rounds in a couple weeks. It worked surprisingly well with plenty of skill gap between the players. A couple years ago I also tried a MOBA on my phone wondering how that could possibly work…

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Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by crummy » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:25 AM UTC

apazzolini wrote: post #73

dudus wrote: post #45

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More PoPs and fiber. Both which are already much more ubiquitous than a few years ago and fast expanding. Plus you don't need to reach everyone for a successful product. Just a critical mass

I (and many, many others) notice lag in games with v-sync turned on vs off, and we're talking about single digit milliseconds there. It's possible that Stadia might be "good enough" for casual gaming (and granted, that's a very large market segment), but I don't think it will ever be good enough for anyone who is sensitive to latency.

Vsync off gives tearing, right? Maybe you're noticing that and not the latency.

Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by gilbetron » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:31 AM UTC

cookie_monsta wrote: post #76

There's a point that the article only brushes on that seems important. My generation (born in early 70's) was the first to really come up with access to video games pretty much as a given. We had space invaders etc in the arcades (or wherever else they could fit a cabinet), hand-held Nintendo and basic home consoles in primary school and then of course came the boom with PC, PS, X-Box and all that followed. But a lot…

Nigh 50 year old reporting in - I agree 100%. Some of my fondest memories are related to video games, and I still have friends I've never met in real life that I enjoy more than many people I have. My wife, son, and I are a gamer family, and I think better because of it. I had very little connections to my parents (who were great) at the level my wife and I have with our son (11). We laugh and joke about gaming, share memes, and watch each other play. We also do other things together (hikes, fishing, board games etc), but I see people that don't play video games in the same light as those that don't watch movies or don't listen to music or don't read books - they're missing a fascinating part of life.

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Post by gaius__baltar » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:35 AM UTC

kbrackbill wrote: post #85

swah wrote: post #12

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I handled a paper newspaper the other day - it was very soothing.

I have the same experience whenever I read a paper. I wonder if there's anything intrinsic to that or if I only like it because of nostalgia.

Tactile and audio feedback matter a lot; think of eating (shelled) peanuts v. pistachios.

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Post by buttersbrian » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:36 AM UTC

UncleMeat wrote: post #74

falcolas wrote: post #56

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That's not a technical solution, that's a "throw money at the problem" solution which is not financially viable for a good portion of the world.

But it is exactly how CDNs and very large web applications have been doing things for ages.

Exactly this. Nearly anything on the internet that is concerned with speed does this in some fashion.

Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by apazzolini » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:36 AM UTC

crummy wrote: post #123

apazzolini wrote: post #73

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I (and many, many others) notice lag in games with v-sync turned on vs off, and we're talking about single digit milliseconds there. It's possible that Stadia might be "good enough" for casual gaming (and granted, that's a very large market segment), but I don't think it will ever be good enough for anyone who is sensitive to latency.

Vsync off gives tearing, right? Maybe you're noticing that and not the latency.

Vsync off can sometimes produce tearing, but I find this preferable to vsync on, which eliminates tearing but introduces latency.

Edit: Freesync/G-sync is an attempt to eliminate tearing AND latency. Unfortunately, this often requires a higher response time on many monitors. For example, on my simracing setup with a Samsung CHG90[1], you can't both enable freesync and the fastest response time on the monitor. I opt for the faster response time as it just feels faster and most of the time I don't notice the tearing.

[1] https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/49--chg...

Re: Video Gaming Will Take Over

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Post by prawn » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:37 AM UTC

amiantos wrote: post #92

Article seems to forget that there are vast swaths of the population that do not play games. They do not have the patience to learn how to play games, not even console games with simpler controls. Even casual games require some level of skill to play, or they're not any fun, and the joy of television is that you do not need any special skill to enjoy it. This isn't even getting into people who view games as a waste o…

Something I think about is how there have been outstanding games that the majority of people will never play. Just in recent years - Red Dead I and II, Horizon Zero Dawn, Last of Us, etc. These have quality/polish up with Breaking Bad or any acclaimed movie/TV, but no one else in my extended family would have played a second of any of them. How do you bring that experience to people?

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Post by p1necone » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:41 AM UTC

Aaronstotle wrote: post #71

Darkphibre wrote: post #33

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Reminds me of an op-ed from 1900 about how books were destroying the youth, for they never looked up at the world around them. :)

I think that the major difference is a lot of games/apps are tailor made to produce dopamine/cause addiction. While a good book _can_ be addicting, it's not inherently stimulating.

The medium of video games isn't "inherently stimulating" either. Games need to be specifically tailored to that kind of thing, and many aren't (look outside of the mobile space for examples - 99% of what you see on the steam front page is not a skinner box)

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:42 AM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #19

FooHentai wrote: post #3

>Cloud gaming means you will be able to take your game “everywhere” and avoid dreaded 20-minute updates before you can start playing. Doubt. In the same way that movies on PSP had this idea in mind but fell flat on it's face, games are strongly tied to the format and environment in which you consume them. FPS gaming with a keyboard and mouse isn't coming with you on your phone for the morning commute, and no amount o…

Honestly what games have 20 minute updates so often? I havent played a game like that in a while. I can only think of MMOs doing this. I agree as well though, keyboard and mouse is the superrior interface for me.

I will take this one. I use my ps4 mostly for netflix, but recent holiday season left me with some games. You would be surprised how often those games force you into updates. And then there is PS system updates..