Live data from Hacker News

Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

bbc.com

121–130 of 520 posts

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

#121

The problem with Black Cabs in London is that the drivers go around like they are god's gift to Earth. Sure "The Knowledge" is an impressive feat of learning, but more often than not the drivers don't make use of it because the best route is not the most profitable one for the driver. I have lost count of the number of times I have been subjected to the "tourist tax" where the driver heads straight for the major arte…

Uber is an alternative to Addison Lee (the largest), or the hundreds of local minicab agencies.

The black cabs have different rules and regulations.

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

#122
post #10

I know this opinion is not popular but I'm so happy everytime I see bad news for Uber and all these companies that only exist thanks to basically exploiting THEIR workers. Private transporting is not sustainable and it is not something that has to be affordable for everyone, even less by lowering workers wages or playing with the tariffs by demand. Taxi regulations gives us passengers safety and fair prices. There ar…

Name one market where Taxi Regulation ensure fair prices. Please, entertain me.

You're conflating how Uber works in certain countries to how it works in London. The relationship between Uber and the driver can vary so much depending on what market you are talking about.

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

#123
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t want to rate my driver. I want to be able to rely on a third party... You sure can’t rely on the Uber, Lyft, Juno ratings. It’s 5 stars or bust. The social pressure on 5 stars is enormous. Netflix moved to thumbs up, thumbs down. YouTube did the same, after showing a graph of the 5s and 1s: https://techcrunch.com/2009/09/22/youtube-comes-to-a-5-star-... I relentlessly give an average delivery or ride 3 star…

Your inability to follow the cultural norm is actually at fault here, not the rating system. What you’re doing is akin to tipping 5% in restaurants in the US and only tipping 15% when you have an outstanding experience. In reality, restaurants workers in the USA would expect 15% to 20% unless they dramatically fucked up. I don’t like the tipping system either, but I’m also not going to be that asshole who tries to ch…

While that's on point, the US school grades are even more obscure and meaningless than the taxi rating to the rest of the world. Many countries are using numbers like out of 10 or 100 and doing an average job on the homework will land you the average like 5 or 50.

It's kinda funny how everything is connected: school grades, restaurant tips, taxi ratings.

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

#124
post #30
post #10

I know this opinion is not popular but I'm so happy everytime I see bad news for Uber and all these companies that only exist thanks to basically exploiting THEIR workers. Private transporting is not sustainable and it is not something that has to be affordable for everyone, even less by lowering workers wages or playing with the tariffs by demand. Taxi regulations gives us passengers safety and fair prices. There ar…

> you can see your trip, its aproximate cost, the driver's rating Here's the thing: I don't want to rate my driver. I want to be able to rely on a third party that all available drivers are punctual and competent. It is not a choice I want to make. Too much responsibility is already dumped on consumers under the guise of choice. Quality control of services I utilize is something I expect to pay for.

You really want to rely on a single third party instead of a curation by democratic process?

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

#126

I don't usually use Uber —we live in a place where it just doesn't exist— but I've been exposed to it a couple of times this last weekend. It's private hire but worse. A family member booked. A driver committed. The wait got shorter. Then it got longer. And longer. And then our trip was cancelled without reason. Another was booked. Same gig. We had no opportunity to 1-star those drivers for being dicks. The third arr…

Is HN really the place to conflate a single digit amount of personal anecdotes into a reason why someone should not use an app?

What year was this? Where was this? This comment is worth absolutely nothing without specifics, and even then its a tiny data point which cannot offer any real perspective on the current news about Uber in London.

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

#127
post #10

I know this opinion is not popular but I'm so happy everytime I see bad news for Uber and all these companies that only exist thanks to basically exploiting THEIR workers. Private transporting is not sustainable and it is not something that has to be affordable for everyone, even less by lowering workers wages or playing with the tariffs by demand. Taxi regulations gives us passengers safety and fair prices. There ar…

It is unpopular, because the premise is so completely wrong. What exploration? You want to drive for Uber, drive for Uber. You do not want to drive for it, don't. As simple as that. What I heard from drivers is Uber has by far the best tech for predicting/connecting routes. And I am really tired of of screaming "workers rights" all the time.

>And I am really tired of of screaming "workers rights" all the time.

That line sums up this entire site. Talking about workers rights is politics, and we can't talk about that.

Let's just invent things and concentrate on that shall we?

It doesn't matter what effect it has on people or society, that's for other people to think about.

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

#128

We have a solution for which companies should operate: it's called the free market.

The fact that you're being downvoted shows how much of a socialist hell-hole HN has become. No one is forcing people to drive for uber and no one is forcing the rider to use uber. In my city, Accra, Taxis were so expensive until uber came to the market and forced down the price. The only system that puts the consumer (read: common man) first is the free market (if and only if politicians would allow it to work).

[flagged]

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

#129
post #10

I know this opinion is not popular but I'm so happy everytime I see bad news for Uber and all these companies that only exist thanks to basically exploiting THEIR workers. Private transporting is not sustainable and it is not something that has to be affordable for everyone, even less by lowering workers wages or playing with the tariffs by demand. Taxi regulations gives us passengers safety and fair prices. There ar…

Most cab authorities, and many of the drivers under them, are scum. It is hard to express just how corrupt and unprofessional Uber would have to be to come anywhere near being worse than them. I personally prefer Lyft, the app is less broken and the prices are pretty similar here in Southern Ontario. In Toronto, the transit authorities even have a cross-promotional relationship with Lyft, and I think it increases ridership noticeably. Public transit can only get you so far, even if it's as extensive as anyone can afford to run.

Uber isn't exploiting anyone: it is extremely simple to register with them, you can work whenever you please, and you can stop at any point; they pay on time and give you transparent access to their managerial infrastructure to see how you can align yourself with their business, or that you're unwilling to do that. Just because your system isn't set up to particularly support independent contractors doesn't mean that Uber's drivers fall outside that category.

In Toronto, when the cabbies were fed up with being out-competed by Uber contractors (and Uber's subsidies at the time), they decided to block all the roads surrounding a major hospital, including the emergency vehicle routes. To my mind, all of them should have lost not only their taxi licenses, but their driver's licenses as well.

The authorities promised to professionalize cabs, but in reality they did the exact opposite, and the same story has repeated itself across North America.

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

#130
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in London, there are plenty of alternatives to Uber, the only downside is they might be like 5-10% more expensive

What you said was correct a year ago but Kapten and Bolt exist now, they’re often the same fare or cheaper than Uber.

Bolt is funded by Chinese money. They're heavily subsidizing rides with that money to capture some of the market and they will have to raise prices eventually.
Post reply on HN