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Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by jupp0r »

ng12 wrote: post #102
weberc2 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuine (outsider) question: how is housing not a uniquely-SF problem? The rest of the country and even other parts of California seem to have affordable housing, at least relatively speaking. EDIT: RE downvotes, shame on me for not being familiar with SF politics, I guess. It is, after all, the center of the universe. (◔_◔)

It's not at all a SF problem, it's a metropolitan city problem. NYC, Boston, Denver, Austin, Boise, both Portlands, etc all have the same housing crisis. The truth is well-paying (i.e. middle class) jobs are coalescing in a small number of cities which have failed to adapt to the growth. As a software engineer this means I can either make great money in one of the aforementioned cities or a fraction of it in an "off-…

There are some cities that seem to have better salary/cost of living ratios. I'm thinking of places like Boulder, CO or Provo, UT.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by kbenson »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #114
kbenson wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A response of "oh, come on, we all know.." to someone that said they personally went through 100 tickets is not really contributing much. Worse, actually, as presenting your assumptions without evidence as counterfactuals to someone that purports to have actually done legwork actively muddies the discussion.

Of the more than 100 poop complaints I've filed with 311 the majority have been human sized. The one with a string/tapeworm coming out of it was ambiguously sized and spread out over like three blocks. Yesterday I submitted one of bloody handprints smeared all over a building on Mission St. Pretty sure those weren't dog handprints. I called it graffiti since I didn't see anything more suited towards "blood smeared al…

And that is a useful set of information to add to the discussion.

I'm not sure how accurate size is as an indicator of species for feces, given that some dogs are quite large with large feces (and some many humans have small feces for dietary reasons), but it's not like the original commenter explained in much detail how they classified the feces either (other than indicating it was through images for many).

Edit: Regarding your second link, I have a pair of 65 pound dogs, and their poop is generally about 1/3 to 3/4 that size. I assume it could be a ~100 lb dog, but agree it's more likely from a person.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by captainill »

ng12 wrote: post #96
dmode wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at the mobile uploads. They have photos attached

What is the methodology for classifying human vs. animal waste?

This. Would love to know but am not willing to scan photos of excrement to do my own analysis. I have my own personal experience of living in SF for 10 years, in the Mission. I’ve seen a lot of human looking fecal matter.

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Post by inferiorhuman »

dade_ wrote: post #52
wuunderbar wrote: post #10

I wonder how much this has to do with an increase in people knowing that there exists a system to complain about poop, versus the actual increase of poop itself.

I just got back from SF, last time was 2006. Nonexistent problem then, and when I arrived, I was unaware. It was a whole day before I realized it wasn't dog shit. I thought to myself,"I havven't seen this much dog shit since Buenos Aires, but man they must have a lot of big dogs in SF, kinda strange." Then it clicked. The homeless crisis in SF is like nothing I have seen anywhere, not India, not South America. Felt v…

I just got back from SF, last time was 2006. Nonexistent problem then

No, it was definitely a problem then. I was working in mid-market around then and we definitely noticed when the mechanical sidewalk sweepers missed a shift. Impressively it's gotten worse.

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Post by mc32 »

JimboOmega wrote: post #105
ericmcer wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeh! I think it would really help law enforcement community relations if they moved away from ticketing people for violating letter of the law rules (street sweeping hours, etc.) and started ticketing people for stuff that lowers quality of life in the city: taking up two parking spots by not pulling forward all the way, not picking up dog poop, parking in bike lanes, etc.

Didn't we just elect a new DA who has openly stated he will not prosecute any quality of life crimes?

His childhood history of having parents who drove a getaway vehicle to a robbery resulting in a dead police officer apparently has colored his outlook toward policing.

Hope springs eternal.

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Post by r00fus »

thereisnospork wrote: post #5

I feel like if you can even ask that question then the answer is probably yes. This would make for a rare exception to Betteridge's law though.

How much of the discussion is the open question vs the actual problem?

e.g. "Pete Buttigieg has a AA voter problem" vs. his actually having that problem (which is not conclusive)

The solution to this is usually some overwhelming action to not only mitigate but change the momentum of discussion.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by inferiorhuman »

leesalminen wrote: post #20
wuunderbar wrote: post #10

I wonder how much this has to do with an increase in people knowing that there exists a system to complain about poop, versus the actual increase of poop itself.

The only place I’ve ever seen human feces on a public street is in SF and I’ve been to every major US city.

The only place I’ve ever seen human feces on a public street is in SF and I’ve been to every major US city.

Are you not looking then? SF isn't even the only place in the Bay Area I've seen shit on the sidewalk.

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Post by paggle »

jupp0r wrote: post #121
ng12 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not at all a SF problem, it's a metropolitan city problem. NYC, Boston, Denver, Austin, Boise, both Portlands, etc all have the same housing crisis. The truth is well-paying (i.e. middle class) jobs are coalescing in a small number of cities which have failed to adapt to the growth. As a software engineer this means I can either make great money in one of the aforementioned cities or a fraction of it in an "off-…

There are some cities that seem to have better salary/cost of living ratios. I'm thinking of places like Boulder, CO or Provo, UT.

Those are rapidly getting discovered and neutralized.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by paggle »

Animats wrote: post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

Why on earth wouldn't you want toilets for the homeless to have enough privacy for a drug deal? The alternative is having the drug deals done in public where I and my kids have to see it happen.

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Post by bananabreakfast »

dmode wrote: post #69
grandmczeb wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m looking at the data portal and at least the last 300 waste complaints have no details (details field just says “Human/Animal waste” or is empty) - how did you figure out if they’re dog poop or misclassified? Edit: E.g this one https://sf311.org/track-case?ref=11716075&email=

Look at the mobile uploads. They have photos attached

lol, are you combing through photos of poop and categorizing them?? yeah right
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