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Post by Mockapapella »

skrebbel wrote: post #108
pergadad wrote: post #105

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They're crooks, but they are our crooks! And to be fair some Philips products are decent.

That's totally besides the point though :-) Plus, unless you're referring to medical equipment, it's probably just brand licensing. Philips hardly produces any consumer electronics anymore (incl lights).

I work in the lighting industry. I'm told they have a patent on the concept of attaching a driver to an LED board. We, and many other lighting companies, pay for a license to use that patent.

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Post by kylek »

mirimir wrote: post #96
nhyun wrote: post #20

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RIP? It's not burned out yet: http://www.centennialbulb.org/photos.htm

cam: http://www.centennialbulb.org/cam.htm

My bad, off by about 15000 years

(sorry, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17776 . The bulb is a critical part of the plot!)

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Post by tomrod »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #106
tomrod wrote: post #62

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The analogy is apt, but one must remember in the original frog experiment the frog's brain had been surgically altered. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#Experiments_and...

> the frog's brain had been surgically altered. Article says removed .

Yep. That certainly qualifies as an alteration! :)

To be frank, I wasn't sure how much of the brain stem was left, but was aware of wikipedia's wording.

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Post by readams »

barrkel wrote: post #95
readams wrote: post #49

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They could have printed electricity costs on the packages. Instead they artificially limited competition. That doesn't sound like they had anyone's interests but their own in mind.

Incandescent bulbs are labeled and classified by their electricity consumption. It's literally in the product description: 40W bulb, 60W bulb, 100W bulb, etc.

you need to know watts and lumens. It's not rocket science.

Re: Phoebus Cartel

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Post by zepto »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #115
zepto wrote: post #82

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Last time I had it done with my current phone, it was done in less than 15 minutes. Extra materials are not negligible - at the scale of the iPhone, even 1% of additional material is vast. In any case, is not only the extra materials that are the problem, it is that phones with a battery compartment are much more fragile, harder to waterproof, etc, and so they fail sooner anyway regardless of whether the battery is c…

> People discarding otherwise serviceable phones because they have been misinformed about the ease of battery replacement is the real problem. When you spend 100% of your time in a technical field, and deal with people who are technically savvy, you think everybody is capable of "easily" replacing a battery, or knowing that it can be done relatively easy. There are millions of people who are completely unaware that g…

This is complete fabrication.

I don’t have to speculate about what the Apple employee is going to do.

I have been into the Apple store.

What the employee actually does is to run a diagnostic and offer a battery replacement service.

The reason people don’t know this is partially due to having been misinformed by people like you.

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Post by markus92 »

skrebbel wrote: post #99

I live in Eindhoven, home town of Philips, one of the members of this cartel. Philips is extremely loved here. They're the reason this city is a city at all, they're the reason we're a prosperous region with of lots of innovation (mostly hardware though, so not very HN-fashionable). We now have apartment buildings named after their founders ("Gerard", "Anton", etc), lunchrooms ("Meneer Frits"), the local football sta…

The reason they are loved is the major social impact Philips had on the Eindhoven region, mostly positive. You could walk up to Mr Frits during carnival, ask for a job for your husband and he could start the next week, ask any older Eindhovenaar about it. They were considered to be a great company to work for: they took care of houses (one of the Eindhoven suburbs is called Philips town as it was literally built by them for their employees), and the bylaws made maximum employment a top priority (heck, it’s still mentioned in the latest CAO). The local football club was founded by Philips for their employees, the first player in the field was a 4-year-old Mr. Frits.

From the perspective of Eindhoven, they sure were a net gain. For the rest of the world, they sure are in a lot of cartels. But the tens of thousands of people working for Philips-related companies won’t care (ASML, NXP, Signify, Etos, FEI, TP Vision, are just some examples of the Philips legacy that is still felt all across the Eindhoven region)l

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