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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by topspin »

aloisdg wrote: post #12

I am all for fighting capitalism, but I wont tolerate any form of ads. Ads are a threat for free thinking. They are pollution, poison, for the mind. I dont want to face any form of manipulation. Beside, Brave is chromium based. If you want to fight the chrome monopoly, go somewhere else. I could be fine with a fork of Firefox with a preinstall uBlockOrigin, Privacy Possum, facebook container, etc.

> I wont tolerate any form of ads. Ads are a threat for free thinking.

Then turn off the ad feed in Brave and enjoy the built in ad blocking. If you would still like to fund participating sites through Brave you can fund your BAT account with your own money.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by dyslexit »

n1231231231234 wrote: post #89
colordrops wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's perfect for my use case: Chrome but with all the google bits removed and built-in ad-blocking. Can't say any of those things you listed have bothered me. I don't use BAT. Edit: Why do so many new accounts (green text) post to any thread about Brave?

> with all the google bits removed well, except for the fact that it's still a chromium browser and google really sets the general agenda for all chromium browsers.

What do you mean by "general agenda"?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by visarga »

nostrademons wrote: post #57
bvda wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why they chose to use (yet another) crypto currency for this.

It's also critical that it be a currency not used for any purpose other than advertising. The point of BAT is to price attention: users have the option of opting out of ads, if they do so it means less BAT available for purchase, which raises the price of BAT, which increases the rewards for opting into ads, which means more people opt in, which leads to an equilibrium price. If they had used say Monero for this, the…

> which raises the price of BAT

Why would the price of BAT raise when uses opt out of ads?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by hombre_fatal »

ulzeraj wrote: post #111
mdorazio wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

Why does it seem wrong? Internet ads use your internet connection and time. Why should I watch them for free?

Presumably you are viewing ads on a website that is giving you some sort of value so you aren't doing it for free.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by have_faith »

buboard wrote: post #109
have_faith wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know advertising covers a need, there's nothing inherently wrong with advertising in an academic sense. News organisations do not offer anything of consistent high quality that people are willing to pay for though. I have no faith that quality will improve if only we all switched off our adblockers and clicked some ads. People's propensity to read clickbait will not decline as a result of higher revenue from advert…

> quality that people are willing to pay for though You 're only talking about news sites. While they are the loudest to complain, most of the web traffic is not news sites, but sites with immense amounts of valuable information, most of which is not compensated well. The only one who gets compensated well is Google, and we should change that. Businesses are constantly willing to give money for advertising, and they…

I didn't just mean news sites, they are a good example though.

There is a lot of sites out there with very valuable information, I'm not convinced that they inherently need compensating though? but I might be mis-interpreting what you mean. More specifically I don't think encouraging these valuable sites to survive on new ad driven or donation modals is pragmatic, especially one backed by a crypto like BAT.

If I create high value content and put it online for free I don't think it's fair I then complain that it doesn't generate enough revenue through ads. I would rather the content not be given to me for free in the first place.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by FpUser »

300bps wrote: post #87
FpUser wrote: post #38

https://brave.com/malvertising-homeland-security/ "Brave warns US Senate & Congress: foreign state actors can use targeted ads to run code on US government computers, exploiting conventional browsers" Oh, my. I am so scared. And Brave is of course a knight in shining armor ready to protect our shaken foundations.

I got a virus from an ad on reddit in 2008. It actually does happen, and I've used ad blocking software consistently ever since.

I am not arguing about possibility of getting virus through ad on browser. My point is that they are using scaremongering in a hope to advance their product. They have no real proof that it is more secure.

As for ads I am using adblock for ages. Not that I got a virus from internet, just do not like seeing ads when not asked.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by lern_too_spel »

uncletammy wrote: post #69
Hamcha wrote: post #22

I've used Brave since March, and I'm really not impressed. For a browser that tries to be different, it's incredible how little consideration has been given to things that annoy users and that could probably be trivial to remove. To be more specific, my issues with Brave are: - Still uses the Chrome Web Store as main store - Does not have an easy way to load packaged extensions from 3rd party sources - Even after add…

Here's an idea. Go help them make it better. Fixing our broken ass network and the (bad) incentives that keep is afloat is one tough job. We need all the help we can get! You can start here: https://github.com/brave

Why should anyone volunteer their time to enrich Eich and his cohorts who hold the plurality of BAT?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by apazzolini »

judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

> rather than intrusive in-page ads, Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system

I'm sorry, how is that not orders of magnitudes MORE intrusive?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

jonathansampson wrote: post #107
mk89 wrote: post #11

I don't know if I understood it right, but BATs are only given when users see the ads, right? If this is the case, it seems that Brave fosters the use of ads, not reduce it. Is my understanding right?

Ads aren't inherently bad, but modern digital advertising has been co-opted by bad actors. Brave offers an ad-free experience by default; this is necessary for your privacy and safety online. But users are increasingly more aware that protecting themselves from harmful ads also means stripping their favorite creators of support. This is where Brave steps in to offer a complete solution, rather than the partial soluti…

^ works on Brave
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