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Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by majewsky »

bogwog wrote: post #83
lewisflude wrote: post #43

Went on https://peertube.video/ and immediately got a bunch of porn. Not really sure from a consumer aspect this is yet fully there from a UX perspective! But the tech is really interesting and as a federated alternative I could see it doing really well. Best of luck to the team!

Anyone can start an instance and post whatever they want. Just because it has "peertube" in the URL doesn't mean it's an "official" instance or anything like that.

Whether a service is centralized or decentralized might matter a lot to us here, but to 99% of people it's utterly irrelevant. An implementation detail.

Therefore their mental model will equate Youtube (a service) with Peertube (an application used by multiple services). If illegal content is on some Peertube, it's "on Peertube" and it drags down all the other stuff that is "on Peertube". Just like how big advertisers withdraw all their campaigns from all of Youtube when a single popular Youtuber posts a particularly distasteful video. They don't recognize the substructure inside Youtube's community because, to the public majority, Youtube is a monolithic thing. It's going to be the same for Peertube. (Unless Peertube has a better marketing department than behemoths like Youtube, which it likely has not.)

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by detaro »

timwaagh wrote: post #24

It seems like they did not consider how they want peertubers to be able to monetize. On the contrary, it seems they have something against 'capturing your attention and selling it to Fanta'. I want this piece of work to be exhibit A in how staying inside your ideological bubble will ensure failure. I think it's especially sad since they used crowdfunded money so they aren't just failing on their own dime.

Most of the YouTubers I follow have ads they embed themselves in their videos, sponsored content or patreons. I'm not sure the platform running ads is actually strictly needed. (+ of course it doesn't have replace YouTube to be valuable)

It'd be interesting if an instance could add them itself - I think doing it dynamically would mess with Webtorrent support?

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by myu701 »

m12k wrote: post #22
swebs wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nextcloud. Or depending on how you define a server, Bittorrent.

I didn't know NextCloud was P2P (I thought it was just based on a central server with a bunch of clients) - what's the P2P part?

Syncthing is equivalent to the file-sync portion of Nextcloud and really is p2p FWIW. Been happy enough to replace my Onedrive subscription and once set up, just works.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by danShumway »

ajuc wrote: post #97

My problem with peertube is - if I install it and federate I'll have all sorts of illegal videos on my computer. Nazi propaganda, child porn, anything. I'm not going to spend hours moderating that, and I certainly don't want to explain myself to police. And if I don't federate it's basically less convenient ftp.

> These instances can chose to follow each other (this is called federating). For example, if the head of IT services of College X would like KarateTube videos to appear on CollegeTube, all she has to do is federate with KarateTube. KarateTube’s videos will remain on its server but students who are used to watching videos from CollegeTube will be able to see them.

It sounds like federation isn't an everything-or-nothing approach. You can federate with a specific instance that you trust, and even in that case, you won't host any videos on your device other than what you upload.

Would like to see confirmation, but it also seems like instances can follow in one-direction. IE, I could have a private server that follows no one, but allow other instances that want to include my public videos in their search results to follow me.

That assumes I understand the details correctly -- the FAQ is a tiny bit vague so maybe I'm misunderstanding.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by _57jb »

mcjiggerlog wrote: post #38

I really want to like peertube but I think its UX, at least where it stands now, is going to hold it back from ever challenging youtube. I use youtube a lot, and for a huge range of topics. I don't have any interest in creating an account on a niche-specific instance and I think the average user who doesn't even understand what federalization does even less. However, I literally don't even understand how to make an a…

The "federalization" of internet services...

I don't know why this came across so darn funny.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by xouse »

Communitivity wrote: post #96

A major differentiator for PeerTube, if they are still doing the decentralized data route, is that content publishers control their content. I am curious if that is still the case with PeerTube, but it used to be 'Mastodon for Videos'. That means a central authority can't take down videos. A site like peertube.social can only ban certain videos from being shared through its site, or ban individual users, and perhaps…

This is one of the rare good fits for blockchain. You can get the hash of a video, or hash for each segment of a video, then store that hash in a blockchain transaction, which makes it publicly verifiable while also serving as a timestamp.

A news organization could have their own wallet that they're sending currency from which acts as a verifier that it's them, then they store a hash/s of their video on the blockchain. Then you could have a facebook/twitter player that checks the hash of shared news video clips and could display a lock icon and message that says something like this video is verified non tampered from the CNN source.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by devwastaken »

mcjiggerlog wrote: post #38

I really want to like peertube but I think its UX, at least where it stands now, is going to hold it back from ever challenging youtube. I use youtube a lot, and for a huge range of topics. I don't have any interest in creating an account on a niche-specific instance and I think the average user who doesn't even understand what federalization does even less. However, I literally don't even understand how to make an a…

I would wonder why sites don't just copy most of YouTube's layout. Japanese video sites thrive and look very similar, but with their own kind of community setups. Does Google own some sort of copyright or software patents on their 'content presentation'?

On that note, if we were to ever get efficient AV1 encoding/decoding in the browser it may be possible to eliminate the large conversion and bandwidth overhead that currently makes competition quite difficult

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by vanous »

krageon wrote: post #51
vanous wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, there is no alternative. Everybody uses PayPal or Stripe on the backend...

> Everybody uses PayPal or Stripe Are you implying that there are literally no other payment platforms than ones that reduce to PayPal or Stripe?

Unfortunately yes. Look at Librepay's "How it works for creators" paragraph:

"We currently support processing payments through Stripe and PayPal."

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by cronus97 »

jaster wrote: post #46
mcjiggerlog wrote: post #38

I really want to like peertube but I think its UX, at least where it stands now, is going to hold it back from ever challenging youtube. I use youtube a lot, and for a huge range of topics. I don't have any interest in creating an account on a niche-specific instance and I think the average user who doesn't even understand what federalization does even less. However, I literally don't even understand how to make an a…

Probably because: > Signups are currently closed, but you can get an account by sending a message (including your desired username) through the "contact administrator" button above. Please read the terms first. (from https://peertube.social/about/instance )

After following the documentation, It looks like joinpeertube.org is the peertube signup page. peertube.social appears to be a leftist oriented instance.

Re: PeerTube v2

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Post by craze3 »

lewisflude wrote: post #43

Went on https://peertube.video/ and immediately got a bunch of porn. Not really sure from a consumer aspect this is yet fully there from a UX perspective! But the tech is really interesting and as a federated alternative I could see it doing really well. Best of luck to the team!

I believe the correct URL is https://peertube.social/ ?
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