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Re: Uber CEO calls Saudi murder of Khashoggi “a mistake,” scrambles to backtrack

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Post by elliekelly » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 9:01 AM UTC

criddell wrote: post #50

gdulli wrote: post #42

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It reeks of "no real person involved." Just an inconvenient abstraction to them.

The NRPI expression is something I first heard about on the HBO show Succession. Does that phrase have a history of use before that show? If I google it, I only come up with hits for the tv show.

I hadn’t heard NRPI until Succession but I’ve heard NHI for “No Human Involved” in the context of crimes committed against sex workers. The only thing that comes up on Wikipedia is the name of a CSI episode though so I’m not sure if it’s a term that’s actually used by police. I would hope not.

Re: Uber CEO calls Saudi murder of Khashoggi “a mistake,” scrambles to backtrack

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Post by navigatesol » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 11:18 AM UTC

CalChris wrote: post #71

goatinaboat wrote: post #38

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I struggle to see the relation to the Trump administration here The OP is calling out the double standard. Accusing Trump of sexism while taking money from those who literally practice an entire lifestyle based on oppression of women, death to gays, etc. Uber, WeWork, others are all perfectly happy to accept money from these highly dubious source. Adam Neumann talks about saving the environment while living large on…

No, the OP does not call out a double standard. The OP doesn't even mention any standard at all. The OP is just attempting bothsiderism . Silicon Valley is in bed with the Saudis, no surprise here. Meanwhile, the shrieks coming from California about Trump are deafening.

>The OP doesn't even mention any standard at all.

My standard is "don't take money from and ask for the forgiveness of murderers", while at the same time whining about Project Maven, or those providing services to ICE, or facial recognition...

It's appalling that this is even up for debate. Saudi money is blood money in the worst case, oil money in the best. Whatever keeps you in your Tesla though, right?

>The OP is just attempting bothsiderism

More made up words to prevent people from being called out on glaring hypocrisy.

Of course you don't see it; you never see it. But the rest of us do, believe it.

Re: Uber CEO calls Saudi murder of Khashoggi “a mistake,” scrambles to backtrack

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 1:57 PM UTC

whalebird wrote: post #118

jacquesm wrote: post #117

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In a state like that it is about as plausible as a US general starting a war with Russia on their own. Anyway, I don't suspect we'll ever have a fair trial where these details will come out. Just more murders to cover up for the previous ones, possibly in the guise of executions by the judicial system or what goes for that in that country.

I don't think the power dynamics are that clear. The Saudi state is not at all under total control of MBS. Formally, his father is in power, there are other potential heirs to the throne. There is the possibility of intrigue. In hindsight, it wouldn't make sense for MBS to order this killing, but it would make sense for a rival to blame the murder on him. That's hindsight of course. Equally plausible is the scenario…

An assassination team flew from one country to another, murdered a person in cold blood in an embassy and then exfiltrated the body in pieces. Such an operation does not get executed without orders from on high.

Re: Uber CEO calls Saudi murder of Khashoggi “a mistake,” scrambles to backtrack

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Post by Braggadocious » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 3:15 PM UTC

HeXetic wrote: post #4

A prototype self-driving car runs over a person due to negligence on the part of the test operator who was supposed to prevent it and failures on the part of the team who created the vehicle. It was not negligence or failures that sent killers to an embassy before Mr. Kashoggi was scheduled to arrive, strangled him, cut him up into pieces, sent out a body double as a distraction, disposed of the evidence, and lied ab…

You dont know, maybe the Saudi Royal Prince had a couple of drinks with his head of security, maybe said a few things under the influence. The head of security also had a few drinks, made a few drunk dials. You know how it is to be a Royal Prince, shit happens.

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Post by dang » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 8:54 PM UTC

Gibbon1 wrote: post #119

dang wrote: post #115

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That's a different question.

You answered it enough for me though.

I'd be curious to hear what information you derived from my answer; you might be surprised how wrong it is.

The main thing going on is that we've learned—the hard way—over the years to keep the moderation channel out-of-band where possible. To do otherwise has a crossing-the-streams effect that blows up into a off-topic and low-quality discussion. Since we're trying to value quality over quantity in all things, we try to avoid that. It doesn't follow that we feel unbothered by money laundering, criminals, or thugs.