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Post by tempguy9999 »

lultimouomo wrote: post #116
crazygringo wrote: post #41

First, this is a great and original (AFAIK) post. Kudos to the author! Second, I actually find the most interesting fact to be completely unmentioned by the author: that in the first chart (greatest absolute changes), of the 30 biggest swaps, only two were female->male, while the other 28 (over 90%!) were male->female. It's a remarkable fact -- makes me think of how it's historically been much more acceptable for wom…

I always find amusing that in many countries Andrea (which literally means "male") is a girl's name. Is there an equivalent for boys?

Does it? Any links? Perhaps from the greek Andros? I'm curious.

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Post by ekianjo »

Something about US first names is always puzzling to me because there is a much larger space of names than what there is in Europe for example. Not even talking about exotic ones only. Names like "Justice" are pretty much unheard of in Europe.

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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Post by lultimouomo »

tempguy9999 wrote: post #121
lultimouomo wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always find amusing that in many countries Andrea (which literally means "male") is a girl's name. Is there an equivalent for boys?

Does it? Any links? Perhaps from the greek Andros? I'm curious.

Yes, it comes from "aner" in Greek: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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Post by pavlov »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #112
maldeh wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your musings here are legitimate, so long as you recognize your feelings as a single datapoint and don't mistake them for a general trend, or extrapolate them to the wider population. As a counterpoint, I don't know of any friends or close acquaintances who would consider feminism or femininity a dirty word. To me, it's a fairly straightforward proposition: Q: Are you pro- women having equal rights to men w.r.t. soci…

That's a naive look at feminism. Unfortunately nowadays many other ideologies jump on the feminism bandwagon. It's rare to see someone who is feminist without being also anti-law enforcement, anti-white men, anti-capitalist.

The post to which you replied seems to address your concerns:

“Your musings here are legitimate, so long as you recognize your feelings as a single datapoint and don't mistake them for a general trend, or extrapolate them to the wider population.”

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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Post by keerthiko »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #24
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #4

I find the Krishna name interesting. Krishna is a male Hindu deity. However, it seems a lot of people were naming their girls Krishna. Now, it is a boy's name again. My speculation for the cause of this is that Hare Krishna became popular among certain US groups in the 1970's and a lot of them named their daughters Krishna. Then, in more recent times, there has been a lot more immigration from India into the US, and…

Perhaps in the 70s people also stuck to the general trend of female names ending with a vowel while make names typically ended with a consonant. Immigration from cultures such as India where this isn't the trend might indeed be responsible for it waning.

This has absolutely been the trend in India. Majority of male names from my generation and my parents' generation end in consonants, and ending with a vowel was indicative of a feminine name.

So I doubt Indian immigration at least impacted this trend in the direction suggested.

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Post by kgwgk »

watwut wrote: post #117
mlang23 wrote: post #101

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The feminist movement managed to make femininity almost a swear word. Fascinating and very sad. As a male, I was always turned off by unisex products. I wonder how much profit these big companies make with this new marketing strategy. Is it really profitable, or are they just changing their products to avoid public shitstorms, hoping that the shitstorm avoided would have been even worse?

> The feminist movement managed to make femininity almost a swear word. Being "like a girl" being insult is not something that started with feminism.

When have been women insulted for “being like a girl”? “Tomboy” could be insulting, though.

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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Post by kgwgk »

mlang23 wrote: post #101
elliekelly wrote: post #77

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How interesting because from my perspective (a woman) I feel like I'm seeing significantly fewer products that are marketed to/cater to traditional notions of femininity and instead there seems to be a trend towards inclusivity. Tom Ford, Bvlgari, Calvin Klein, and Chanel all have uni-sex fragrances now. Chanel's is called "Boy" and CK's is very inclusively named "all". And there's a _huge_ trend in high-end cosmetic…

The feminist movement managed to make femininity almost a swear word. Fascinating and very sad. As a male, I was always turned off by unisex products. I wonder how much profit these big companies make with this new marketing strategy. Is it really profitable, or are they just changing their products to avoid public shitstorms, hoping that the shitstorm avoided would have been even worse?

Even products for menstruation are unisex now!

https://www.marketingdive.com/news/pg-nixes-venus-symbol-fro...

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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Post by zajio1am »

lultimouomo wrote: post #116
crazygringo wrote: post #41

First, this is a great and original (AFAIK) post. Kudos to the author! Second, I actually find the most interesting fact to be completely unmentioned by the author: that in the first chart (greatest absolute changes), of the 30 biggest swaps, only two were female->male, while the other 28 (over 90%!) were male->female. It's a remarkable fact -- makes me think of how it's historically been much more acceptable for wom…

I always find amusing that in many countries Andrea (which literally means "male") is a girl's name. Is there an equivalent for boys?

I do not think that is surprising, considering -a is feminine suffix in many languages, and there there is masculine version Andreas (with -as masculine suffix). And i understand literal meaning of Andrea / Andreas / Andrew more like 'manly' than 'male'.

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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Post by toxik »

pengstrom wrote: post #109
mlang23 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feminist movement managed to make femininity almost a swear word. Fascinating and very sad. As a male, I was always turned off by unisex products. I wonder how much profit these big companies make with this new marketing strategy. Is it really profitable, or are they just changing their products to avoid public shitstorms, hoping that the shitstorm avoided would have been even worse?

> The feminist movement managed to make femininity almost a swear word. Fascinating and very sad. I'm not sure I follow. Care to explain? > As a male, I was always turned off by unisex products. I wonder how much profit these big companies make with this new marketing strategy. Is it really profitable, or are they just changing their products to avoid public shitstorms, hoping that the shitstorm avoided would have be…

I would not buy unisex fragrance for example, or deodorant. So yeah, twice the market and zero selling power.

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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Post by toxik »

ekianjo wrote: post #122

Something about US first names is always puzzling to me because there is a much larger space of names than what there is in Europe for example. Not even talking about exotic ones only. Names like "Justice" are pretty much unheard of in Europe.

In Europe? We have different languages with different names, pretty sure there are more names and variations here. As for weird names like Justice, we get those too
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